I repeat, sir, that, in adopting the sentiments of the framers of the

Constitution, I read their language audibly, and word for word; and I

pointed out the distinction, just as fully as I have now done, between

the consolidation of the Union and that other obnoxious consolidation

which I disclaim. And yet the honorable member misunderstood me. The

gentleman had said that he wished for no fixed revenue,--not a shilling.

If by a word he could convert the Capitol into gold, he would not do it.

Why all this fear of revenue? Why, sir, because, as the gentleman told

us, it tends to consolidation. Now this can mean neither more nor less

than that a common revenue is a common interest, and that all common

interests tend to preserve the union of the States. I confess I like

that tendency; if the gentleman dislikes it, he is right in deprecating

a shilling of fixed revenue. So much, sir, for consolidation. * * *

Professing to be provoked by what he chose to consider a charge made by

me against South Carolina, the honorable member, Mr. President, has

taken up a crusade against New England. Leaving altogether the subject

of the public lands, in which his success, perhaps, had been neither

distinguished nor satisfactory, and letting go, also, of the topic of

the tariff, he sallied forth in a general assault on the opinions,

politics, and parties of New England, as they have been exhibited in the

last thirty years.

New England has, at times, so argues the gentleman, held opinions as

dangerous as those which he now holds. Suppose this were so; how should

he therefore abuse New England? If he find himself countenanced by acts

of hers, how is it that, while he relies on these acts, he covers, or

seeks to cover, their authors with reproach? But, sir, if in the course

of forty years, there have been undue effervescences of party in New

England, has the same thing happened nowhere else? Party animosity and

party outrage, not in New England, but elsewhere, denounced President

Washington, not only as a Federalist, but as a Tory, a British agent, a

man who in his high office sanctioned corruption. But does the honorable

member suppose, if I had a tender here who should put such an effusion

of wickedness and folly into my hand, that I would stand up and read it

against the South? Parties ran into great heats again in 1799 and 1800.

What was said, sir, or rather what was not said, in those years, against

John Adams, one of the committee that drafted the Declaration of

Independence, and its admitted ablest defender on the floor of Congress?

If the gentleman wishes to increase his stores of party abuse and frothy

violence, if he has a determined proclivity to such pursuits, there are

treasures of that sort south of the Potomac, much to his taste, yet

untouched. I shall not touch them. * * * The gentleman's purveyors have

only catered for him among the productions of one side. I certainly

shall not supply the deficiency by furnishing him samples of the other.

I leave to him, and to them, the whole concern. It is enough for me to

say, that if, in any part of their grateful occupation, if, in all their

researches, they find any thing in the history of Massachusetts, or of

New England, or in the proceedings of any legislative or other public

body, disloyal to the Union, speaking slightingly of its value,

proposing to break it up, or recommending non-intercourse with

neighboring States, on account of difference in political opinion, then,

sir, I give them all up to the honorable gentleman's unrestrained

rebuke; expecting, however, that he will extend his buffetings in like

manner, to all similar proceedings, wherever else found. * * *

Mr. President, in carrying his warfare, such as it is, into New England,

the honorable gentleman all along professes to be acting on the

defensive. He chooses to consider me as having assailed South Carolina,

and insists that he comes forth only as her champion, and in her

defence. Sir, I do not admit that I made any attack whatever on South

Carolina. Nothing like it. The honorable member, in his first speech,

expressed opinions, in regard to revenue and some other topics, which I

heard with both pain and surprise. I told the gentleman I was aware that

such sentiments were entertained out of the Government, but had not

expected to find them advanced in it; that I knew there were persons in

the South who speak of our Union with indifference or doubt, taking

pains to magnify its evils, and to say nothing of its benefits; that the

honorable member himself, I was sure, could never be one of these; and I

regretted the expression of such opinions as he had avowed, because I

thought their obvious tendency was to encourage feelings of disrespect

to the Union, and to impair its strength. This, sir, is the sum and

substance of all I said on the abject. And this constitutes the attack

which called on the chivalry of the gentleman, in his own opinion, to

harry us with such a foray among the party pamphlets and party

proceedings in Massachusetts! If he means that I spoke with

dissatisfaction or disrespect of the ebullitions of individuals in South

Carolina, it is true. But if he means that I assailed the character of

the State, her honor, or patriotism, that I reflected on her history or

her conduct, he has not the slightest grounds for any such assumption. *

* * I shall not acknowledge that the honorable member goes before me in

regard for whatever of distinguished talent or distinguished character

South Carolina has produced. I claim part of the honor, I partake in the

pride of her great names. I claim them for my countrymen, one and all,

the Laurenses, the Rutledges, the Pinckneys, the Sumpters, the

Marions,--Americans all, whose fame is no more to be hemmed in by State

lines than their talents and patriotism were capable of being

circumscribed within the same narrow limits. In their day and generation

they served and honored the country, and the whole country; and their

renown is of the treasures of the whole country. Him whose honored name

the gentleman himself bears--does he esteem me less capable of gratitude

for his patriotism, or sympathy for his sufferings, than if his eyes had

first opened upon the light of Massachusetts, instead of South Carolina?

Sir, does he suppose it in his power to exhibit a Carolina name so

bright as to produce envy in my bosom? No, sir; increased gratification

and delight, rather. I thank God that, if I am gifted with little of the

spirit which is able to raise mortals to the skies, I have yet none, as

I trust, of that other spirit which would drag angels down. When I shall

be found, sir, in my place here in the Senate, or elsewhere, to sneer at

public merit, because it happens to spring up beyond the little limits

of my own State or neighborhood; when I refuse, for any such cause, or

for any cause, the homage due to American talent, to elevated

patriotism, to sincere devotion to liberty and the country; or, if I see

an uncommon endowment of Heaven, if I see extraordinary capacity and

virtue, in any son of the South; and if, moved by local prejudices or

gangrened by State jealousy, I get up here to abate the tithe of a hair

from his just character and just fame, may my tongue cleave to the roof

of my mouth!

Sir, let me recur to pleasing recollections; let me indulge in

refreshing remembrances of the past; let me remind you that, in early

times, no States cherished greater harmony, both of principle and

feeling, than Massachusetts and South Carolina. Would to God that

harmony might again return! Shoulder to shoulder they went through the

Revolution, hand in hand they stood round the administration of

Washington, and felt his own great arm lean on them for support. Unkind

feeling, if it exist, alienation, and distrust, are the growth,

unnatural to such soils, of false principles since sown. They are weeds,

the seeds of which that same great arm never scattered.

Mr. President, I shall enter upon no encomium of Massachusetts; she

needs none. There she is. Behold her, and judge for yourselves. There is

her history; the world knows it by heart. The past, at least, is secure.

There is Boston, and Concord, and Lexington, and Bunker Hill; and there

they will remain for ever. The bones of her sons, falling in the great

struggle for Independence, now lie mingled with the soil of every State

from New England to Georgia, and there they will lie forever. And, sir,

where American Liberty raised its first voice, and where its youth was

nurtured and sustained, there it still lives, in the strength of its

manhood, and full of its original spirit. If discord and disunion shall

wound it, if party strife and blind ambition shall hawk and tear it, if

folly and madness, if uneasiness under salutary and necessary restraint

shall succeed in separating it from that Union, by which alone its

existence is made sure, it will stand, in the end, by the side of that

cradle in which its infancy was rocked; it will stretch forth its arm

with whatever of vigor it may still retain, over the friends who gather

round it; and it will fall at last, if fall it must, amidst the

profoundest monuments of its own glory, and on the very spot of its

origin.

There yet remains to be performed, Mr. President, by far the most grave

and important duty which I feel to be devolved upon me by this occasion.

It is to state, and to defend, what I conceive to be the true principles

of the Constitution under which we are here assembled. I might well have

desired that so weighty a task should have fallen into other and abler

hands. I could have wished that it should have been executed by those

whose character and experience give weight and influence to their

opinions, such as cannot possibly belong to mine. But, sir, I have met

the occasion, not sought it; and I shall proceed to state my own

sentiments, without challenging for them any particular regard, with

studied plainness, and as much precision as possible.

I understand the honorable gentleman from South Carolina to maintain

that it is a right of the State Legislatures to interfere whenever, in

their judgment, this government transcends its constitutional limits,

and to arrest the operation of its laws.

I understand him to maintain this right, as a right existing under the

Constitution, not as a right to overthrow it on the ground of extreme

necessity, such as would justify violent revolution.

I understand him to maintain an authority on the part of the States,

thus to interfere, for the purpose of correcting the exercise of power

by the General Government, of checking it and of compelling it to

conform to their opinion of the extent of its powers.

I understand him to maintain, that the ultimate power of judging of the

constitutional extent of its own authority is not lodged exclusively in

the General Government, or any branch of it; but that, on the contrary,

the States may lawfully decide for themselves, and each State for

itself, whether, in a given case, the act of the General Government

transcends its power.

I understand him to insist, that, if the exigencies of the case, in the

opinion of any State government, require it, such State government may,

by its own sovereign authority, annul an act of the General Government

which it deems plainly and palpably unconstitutional.

This is the sum of what I understand from him to be the South Carolina

doctrine, and the doctrine which he maintains. I propose to consider it,

and compare it with the Constitution. Allow me to say, as a preliminary

remark, that I call this the South Carolina doctrine only because the

gentleman himself has so denominated it. I do not feel at liberty to say

that South Carolina, as a State, has ever advanced these sentiments. I

hope she has not, and never may. That a great majority of her people are

opposed to the tariff laws, is doubtless true. That a majority, somewhat

less than that just mentioned, conscientiously believe these laws

unconstitutional, may probably also be true. But that any majority holds

to the right of direct State interference at State discretion, the right

of nullifying acts of Congress by acts of State legislation, is more

than I know, and what I shall be slow to believe.

That there are individuals besides the honorable gentleman who do

maintain these opinions, is quite certain. I recollect the recent

expression of a sentiment, which circumstances attending its utterance

and publication justify us in supposing was not unpremeditated. "The

sovereignty of the State,--never to be controlled, construed, or decided

on, but by her own feelings of honorable justice."

[Mr. HAYNE here rose and said, that, for the purpose of being clearly

understood, he would state that his proposition was in the words of the

Virginia resolution as follows:

"That this assembly doth explicitly and peremptorily declare, that it

views the powers of the Federal Government, as resulting from the

compact to which the States are parties, as limited by the plain sense

and intention of the instrument constituting that compact, as no farther

valid than they are authorized by the grants enumerated in that compact;

and that, in case of a deliberate, palpable, and dangerous exercise of

other powers not granted by the said compact. The States that are

parties thereto have the right, and are in duty bound to interpose for

arresting the progress of the evil, and for maintaining within their

respective limits the authorities, rights, and liberties appertaining to

them."

Mr. WEBSTER resumed:]

I am quite aware, Mr. President, of the existence of the resolution

which the gentleman read, and has now repeated, and that he relies on it

as his authority. I know the source, too, from which it is understood to

have proceeded. I need not say that I have much respect for the

constitutional opinions of Mr. Madison; they would weigh greatly with me

always. But before the authority of his opinion be vouched for the

gentleman's proposition, it will be proper to consider what is the fair

interpretation of that resolution, to which Mr. Madison is understood to

have given his sanction. As the gentleman construes it, it is an

authority for him. Possibly, he may not have adopted the right

construction. That resolution declares, that, in the case of the

dangerous exercise of powers not granted by the General Government, the

States may interpose to arrest the progress of the evil. But how

interpose, and what does this declaration purport? Does it mean no more

than that there may be extreme cases, in which the people, in any mode

of assembling, may resist usurpation, and relieve themselves from a

tyrannical government? No one will deny this. Such resistance is not

only acknowledged to be just in America, but in England also. Blackstone

admits as much, in the theory, and practice, too, of the English

Constitution. We, sir, who oppose the Carolina doctrine, do not deny

that the people may, if they choose, throw off any government when it

becomes oppressive and intolerable, and erect a better in its stead. We

all know that civil institutions are established for the public benefit,

and that when they cease to answer the ends of their existence they may

be changed. But I do not understand the doctrine now contended for to be

that, which, for the sake of distinction, we may call the right of

revolution. I understand the gentleman to maintain, that, without

revolution, without civil commotion, without rebellion, a remedy for

supposed abuse and transgression of the powers of the General Government

lies in a direct appeal to the interference of the State governments.

[Mr. HAYNE here arose and said: He did not contend for the mere right of

revolution, but for the right of constitutional resistance. What he

maintained was, that in a case of plain, palpable violation of the

Constitution by the General Government, a State may interpose; and that

this interposition is constitutional.

Mr. WEBSTER resumed:]

So, sir, I understood the gentleman, and am happy to find that I did not

misunderstand him. What he contends for is, that it is constitutional to

interrupt the administration of the Constitution itself, in the hands of

those who are chosen and sworn to administer it, by the direct

interference, in form of law, of the States, in virtue of their

sovereign capacity. The inherent right in the people to reform their

government I do not deny; and they have another right, and that is, to

resist unconstitutional laws, without overturning the government. It is

no doctrine of mine that unconstitutional laws bind the people. The

great question is, Whose prerogative is it to decide on the

constitutionality or unconstitutionality of the laws? On that, the main

debate hinges. The proposition, that, in case of a supposed violation of

the Constitution by Congress, the States have a constitutional right to

interfere and annul the law of Congress is the proposition of the

gentleman. I do not admit it. If the gentleman had intended no more than

to assert the right of revolution for justifiable cause, he would have

said only what all agree to. But I cannot conceive that there can be a

middle course, between submission to the laws, when regularly pronounced

constitutional, on the one hand, and open resistance, which is

revolution or rebellion, on the other. I say, the right of a State to

annul a law of Congress cannot be maintained, but on the ground of the

inalienable right of man to resist oppression; that is to say, upon the

ground of revolution. I admit that there is an ultimate violent remedy,

above the Constitution and in defiance of the Constitution, which may be

resorted to when a revolution is to be justified. But I do not admit,

that, under the Constitution and in conformity with it, there is any

mode in which a State government, as a member of the Union, can

interfere and stop the progress of the General Government, by force of

her own laws, under any circumstances whatever.

This leads us to inquire into the origin of this government and the

source of its power. Whose agent is it? Is it the creature of the State

Legislatures, or the creature of the people? If the Government of the

United States be the agent of the State governments, then they may

control it, provided they can agree in the manner of controlling it; if

it be the agent of the people, then the people alone can control it,

restrain it, modify, or reform it. It is observable enough, that the

doctrine for which the honorable gentleman contends leads him to the

necessity of maintaining, not only that this General Government is the

creature of the States, but that it is the creature of each of the

States, severally, so that each may assert the power for itself of

determining whether it acts within the limits of its authority. It is

the servant of four-and-twenty masters, of different wills and different

purposes, and yet bound to obey all. This absurdity (for it seems no

less) arises from a misconception as to the origin of this government

and its true character. It is, sir, the people's Constitution, the

people's government, made for the people, made by the people, and

answerable to the people. The people of the United States have declared

that this Constitution shall be supreme law. We must either admit the

proposition, or deny their authority. The States are, unquestionably,

sovereign, so far as their sovereignty is not affected by this supreme

law. But the State Legislatures, as political bodies, however sovereign,

are yet not sovereign over the people. So far as the people have given

power to the General Government, so far the grant is unquestionably

good, and the Government holds of the people, and not of the State

governments. We are all agents of the same supreme power, the people.

The General Government and the State governments derive their authority

from the same source. Neither can, in relation to the other, be called

primary, though one is definite and restricted, and the other general

and residuary. The National Government possesses those powers which it

can be shown the people have conferred on it, and no more. All the rest

belongs to the State governments, or to the people themselves. So far as

the people have restrained State sovereignty by the expression of their

will, in the Constitution of the United States, so far, it must be

admitted, State sovereignty is effectually controlled. I do not contend

that it is, or ought to be, controlled farther. The sentiment to which I

have referred propounds that State sovereignty is only to be controlled

by its own "feeling of justice"--that is to say, it is not to be

controlled at all, for one who is to follow his own feelings is under no

legal control. Now, however men may think this ought to be, the fact is

that the people of the United States have chosen to impose control on

State sovereignties. There are those, doubtless, who wish they had been

left without restraint; but the Constitution has ordered the matter

differently. To make war, for instance, is an exercise of sovereignty;

but the Constitution declares that no State shall make war. To coin

money is another exercise of sovereign power; but no State is at liberty

to coin money. Again, the Constitution says that no sovereign State

shall be so sovereign as to make a treaty. These prohibitions, it must

be confessed, are a control on the State sovereignty of South Carolina,

as well as of the other States, which does not arise "from her own

feelings of honorable justice." The opinion referred to, therefore, is

in defiance of the plainest provisions of the Constitution.

There are other proceedings of public bodies which have already been

alluded to, and to which I refer again, for the purpose of ascertaining

more fully what is the length and breadth of that doctrine denominated

the Carolina doctrine, which the honorable member has now stood up on

this floor to maintain. In one of them I find it resolved, that "the

tariff of 1828, and every other tariff designed to promote one branch of

industry at the expense of others, is contrary to the meaning and

intention of the federal compact, and such a dangerous, palpable, and

deliberate usurpation of power, by a determined majority, wielding the

General Government beyond the limits of its delegated powers, as calls

upon the States which compose the suffering minority, in their sovereign

capacity, to exercise the powers which, as sovereigns, necessarily

devolve upon them when their contract is violated."

Observe, sir, that this resolution holds the tariff of 1828, and every

other tariff designed to promote one branch of industry at the expense

of another, to be such a dangerous, palpable, and deliberate usurpation

of power, as calls upon the States, in their sovereign capacity, to

interfere by their own authority. This denunciation, Mr. President, you

will please to observe, includes our old tariff of 1816, as well as all

others; because that was established to promote the interest of the

manufacturers of cotton, to the manifest and admitted injury of the

Calcutta cotton trade. Observe, again, that all the qualifications are

here rehearsed and charged upon the tariff, which are necessary to bring

the case within the gentleman's proposition. The tariff is a usurpation;

it is a dangerous usurpation; it is a palpable usurpation; it is a

deliberate usurpation. It is such a usurpation, therefore, as calls upon

the States to exercise their right of interference. Here is a case,

then, within the gentleman's principles, and all his qualifications of

his principles. It is a case for action. The Constitution is plainly,

dangerously, palpably, and deliberately violated; and the States must

interpose their own authority to arrest the law. Let us suppose the

State of South Carolina to express the same opinion, by the voice of her

Legislature. That would be very imposing; but what then? It so happens

that, at the very moment, when South Carolina resolves that the tariff

laws are unconstitutional, Pennsylvania and Kentucky resolve exactly the

reverse. They hold those laws to be both highly proper and strictly

constitutional. And now, sir, how does the honorable member propose to

deal with this case? How does he relieve us from this difficulty upon

any principle of his? His construction gets us into it; how does he

propose to get us out?

In Carolina the tariff is a palpable, deliberate usurpation; Carolina,

therefore, may nullify it, and refuse to pay the duties. In Pennsylvania

it is both clearly constitutional and highly expedient; and there the

duties are to be paid. And yet we live under a government of uniform

laws, and under a constitution, too, which contains an express

provision, as it happens, that all duties shall be equal in all States.

Does not this approach absurdity?

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