_Grym._ Let us then be silent with regard to your father

since this is your desire: let us return to Flexibulus;

nothing is sweeter to me than his discourse, nothing

more sagacious than his counsels, nothing more weighty

than his precepts, or more holy. So by this foretaste

of himself which he has provided me, the thirst has

been stimulated and increased in a wonderful degree, to

draw further from that sweet fountain of wisdom. Those

who describe the earth tell us that the streams are of

wonderful formation and nature; some inebriate, others

take away drunkenness; some send stupor, others sleep. I

have experienced that this fountain has the property of

making a man of a brute, a useful person of a wastrel,

and of a man an angel.

_Bud._ Might I not be able also to draw something from

this fountain, though it be with the tip of my lips?

_Grym._ Why shouldst thou not? I will show you the house

where he dwells.

_Bud._ Another time! But do thou, whilst we are walking

along (or let us sit down, if you like), tell me

something of his precepts, those which thou considerest

to be his best and most potent.

_The Precepts_

_Grym._ I will gladly recall them to memory as far as I

am able if it will give you pleasure and be of use. First

of all he taught me that no one ought to think highly

of himself, but moderately or, more truly, humbly; that

this was the solid and special foundation of the best

education, and truly of society. Hence to exercise all

diligence to cultivate the mind, and to adorn it with

the knowledge of things by the knowledge and exercise of

virtue. Otherwise, that a man is not a man but as cattle.

That one should be interested in sacred matters and

regard them with the greatest attention and reverence.

Whatsoever on those matters you either hear, or see, to

regard it as great, wonder-moving, and as things which

surpass your power of comprehension. That you should

frequently commend yourself to Christ in prayers, have

your hope and all your trust placed in Him. That you

should show yourself obedient to parents, serve them,

minister to them and, as each one has power, be good

and useful to them. That we should honour and love the

teacher even as the parent, not of our body but (what is

greater) of our mind. That we should revere the priests

of the Lord, and show ourselves attentive to their

teaching, since they are to us in place of the Apostles

and even of the Lord Himself. That we should stand up

before the old, uncovering our heads, and attentively

listen to them, from whom, through their long experience

of life, wisdom may be gathered. That we should honour

magistrates, and that when they order anything we should

listen to what they say—since God has committed us to

their care. That we should look for, admire, honour,

and wish all good to, men of great ability, of great

learning, and to honest men, and seek the friendship

and intimacy of those from whom so great fruits can be

obtained, and that we attend to it especially that we

turn out like them. And in the last place, that reverence

is due to those who are in places of dignity, and

therefore it should be given freely and gladly. What do

you say as to these precepts?

_Bud._ So far as I can form a judgment regarding them,

they are taken out from some rich storehouse of wisdom.

But tell me if many people do not come to honour, who

don’t deserve it, _e.g._, priests who don’t act in

accordance with so great a title, depraved magistrates,

and foolish and delirious old men? What is the opinion of

Flexibulus of these? Are they to be honoured as greatly

as the more capable men?

_Grym._ Flexibulus knew very well that there are many

such, but he did not allow that those of my age could

judge in matters of this kind. We had not yet obtained

such insight and wisdom, that we could judge with regard

to them. That forming of opinion in these matters must

be left over to wise men, and to those who are placed in

authority over us.

_Bud._ Therein he was right, as it seems to me.

_Grym._ He used to add: that a youth ought not to be

slow in baring his head, in bending his knee, nor in

calling any one by his most honoured titles, nor remiss

in pleasant and modest discourse. Nor does it become him

to speak much amongst his elders or superiors. For it

would not otherwise agree with the reverence due from

him. Silent himself, he should listen to them, and drink

in wisdom from them, knowledge of varied kinds, and a

correct and ready method of speaking. The shortest way

to knowledge is diligence in listening. It is the part

of a prudent and thoughtful man to form right judgments

about things, and in every instance of that about which

he clearly knows. Therefore a youth ought not to be

tolerated, who speaks hastily and judges hastily, nor

one who is inclined to asserting and deciding hastily;

that he ought to be reluctant to argue and judge on even

small and slight questions of any kind, or, at any rate,

rather timid, _i.e._, conscious of his own ignorance. But

if this is true in slight matters, what shall we say of

literature, of the branches of knowledge? of the laws of

the country, of rites, of the customs and institutions

of our ancestors? Concerning these, Flexibulus said, it

was not permissible in the youth to urge an opinion or

to dispute or to call in question; not to cavil, nor to

demand the grounds, but quietly and modestly, to obey

them. He supported his opinion by the authority of Plato,

a man of great wisdom.

_Bud._ But if the laws are depraved in their morality,

unjust, tyrannical?

_Grym._ As to this Flexibulus expressed himself as he

had done with regard to old men. “I know full well,”

said he, “there are many customs in the state which are

not suitable, that whilst some laws are sacred, some

are unjust, but you are unskilled, inexperienced in the

affairs of life, how should you form an opinion? Not as

yet have you reached that stage in erudition, in the

experience of things, that you should be able to decide.

Perchance, such is your ignorance or licence of mind, you

would judge those laws to be unjust which are established

most righteously and with great wisdom. But who could

render manifest those laws which should be abrogated

without inquiring, discussing, and deciding on points

one by one? For this, you are not yet capable.”

_Bud._ That is clearly so. Go on to other points.

III. _Epilogue_

_Grym._ No ornament is more becoming or pleasing in the

youth than modesty. Nothing is more offensive and hateful

than impudence. There is great danger to our age from

anger. By it we are snatched to disgraceful actions, of

which afterwards we are most keenly ashamed. And so we

must struggle eagerly against it, until it is entirely

overcome, lest it overcome us. The leisurely man, badly

occupied, is a stone, a beast; a well-occupied man is in

truth a man. Men, by doing nothing, learn to do evil.

Food and drink must be measured by the natural desire of

hunger and thirst, not by gluttony, and not by brute-lust

of stuffing the body. What can be more loathsome to be

said than that a man wages war on his own body by eating

and drinking, which strip him of his humanity, and hand

him over to the beasts, or make him even as it were a log

of wood. The expression of the face and the whole body

show in what manner the mind within is trained. But from

the whole exterior appearance, no mirror of the mind is

more certain than the eyes, and so it is fitting that

they should be sedate and quiet, not elated nor dejected,

neither mobile nor stiff, and that the face itself

should not be drawn into severity or ferocity, but into

a cheerful and affable cast. Sordidness and obscenity

should be far absent from clothing, nurture, intercourse,

and speech. Our speech should be neither arrogant nor

marked by fear, nor (would he have it by turns) abject

and effeminate, but simple and by no means captious;

not twisted to misleading interpretations, for if that

happens, nothing can be safely spoken, and a noble nature

in a man is broken, if his speech is met by foolish and

inane cavils. When we are speaking, the hands should not

be tossed about, nor the head shaken, nor the side bent,

nor the forehead wrinkled, nor the face distorted, nor

the feet shuffling. Nothing is viler than lying, nor is

anything so abhorrent. Intemperance makes us beasts;

lying makes us devils; the truth makes us demigods. Truth

is born of God; lying of the Devil, and nothing is so

harmful for the communion of life. Much more ought the

liar to be shut out from the concourse of men than he who

has committed theft, or he who has beaten another, or he

who has debased the coinage. For what intercourse in the

affairs or business of life or what trustful conversation

can there be with the man, who speaks otherwise than

as he thinks? With other kinds of vices, this may be

possible; but not with lying. Concerning companions and

friendship of youths he said much and to the purpose,

that this was not a matter of slight moment to the

honesty or else the shame of our age, that the manners

of our friends and companions are communicated to us as

if by contagion, and we become almost such as those are,

with whom we have intimate dealings; and therefore in

that matter, there should be exercised great diligence

and care. Nor did he permit us to seek friendships and

intimacies ourselves, but that they should be chosen by

parents or teachers or educators, and he taught that

we should accept them, and honour them as they were

recommended. For parents, in choosing for us, are guided

by reason, whilst we may be seized by some bad desire or

lust of the mind. But if, by any chance, we should find

ourselves in useless or harmful circumstances, then it

behoves us as soon as possible to seek advice from our

superiors, and to lay our cares before them. He said,

from time to time, indeed, very many other weighty and

admirable things, and these things also he explained with

considerable fullness and exactness. But these points

which I have already stated were, on the whole, the most

important on the subject of the right education of youth.

BREDA, IN BRABANT; _the Day of the Visitation of the Holy

Virgin_, 1538.

FOOTNOTES:

[1] From the same _Institution of a Christian Woman_ (Richard Hyrde’s

translation).

[2] J. L. Vives: _Ausgeswählte pädagogische Schriften_. Leipzig.

[3] _De Causis Corruptarum Artium_, book ii.

[4] The _De Disciplinis_ consists of two parts—1. _De Causis

Corruptarum Artium_, in seven books; 2. _De Tradendis Disciplinis_ in

five books.

[5] _Dissertation on Romance and Minstrelsy_, by Joseph Ritson, 1891.

[6] Bömer, _Die Lateinischen Schülergespräche der Humanisten_ (1899),

p. 182.

[7] Vives deals with this question in his _De Tradendis Disciplinis_,

and it is highly probable that Mulcaster had read that book before

he treated on the subject of conferences of parents and teachers.

(_Positions_, p. 284).

[8] It should be remembered, in connection with these dates, that Queen

Mary was eleven years older than Philip. Mary was Philip’s second wife;

his first wife was Mary of Portugal, whom he married in 1543. She died

in 1546.

[9] _See_ p. 174.

[10] This edition is not mentioned by Bömer.

[11] _See_ p. xxvi.

[12] _See_ p. 196–196.

[13] p. 21.

[14] p. 18.

[15] p. 65.

[16] In the eighteenth century, the Nonconformist academies, which are

of the first significance as educational institutions, probably, in

many cases, already associated the stages of elementary, secondary, and

university education in one institution.

[17] The grammar school was called in Latin _Ludus literarius_.

[18] _E.g._, John Northbrooke: _Treatise wherein Dicing, etc., ...

are reproved ... Dialogue-wise_, 1579 (Reprinted by the Shakespeare

Society); Gilbert Walker: _A Manifest Detection of the most Vyle and

Detestable Use of Dice-play_, 1552 (Reprinted by the Percy Society);

and by educational writers, _e.g._, Roger Ascham: _Toxophilus_ (1545),

and Laurence Humphrey: _The Nobles_ (1560). William Horman, headmaster

of Eton College School, in his _Vulgaria_ (in 1519) holds the opinion:

“It is a shame that young gentlemen should lose time at the dice and

tables, cards and hazard.”

[19] As to charts, _e.g._, Sir Thomas Elyot, in the _Gouvernour_

(1531), says: “I cannot tell what more pleasure should happen to a

gentle wit than to behold in his own house (_i.e._, in pictures and

maps) everything that within all the world is contained.”

[20] _See_ p. 95.

[21] Dialogue IX.

[22] Dialogue VIII.

[23] Which J. T. Freigius duly notes is taken from Ovid:

_Metamorphoses_, liber vi., and Vergil: _Eclogues_, vi.

[24] Vives gives an example in Pandulphus (Dialogue IX.).

[25] _De Tradendis Disciplinis_, book iii. chap. 3.

[26] _De Tradendis Disciplinis_, book iii. chap. 3.

[27] _De Tradendis Disciplinis_, book i. chap. 2.

[28] _Mémoire sur la vie et les écrits de J. L. Vives_, p. 87.

[29] _Die lateinischen Schülergespräche der Humanisten_, pp. 163–163.

[30] Pasce animos nostros Christe caritate tua, qui benignitate tua

alis vitas animantium: sancta sint, Domine, haec tua munera nobis

sumentibus, ut tu, qui ea largiris, sanctus es. Amen.

[31] In John Conybeare’s _Collection of Proverbs_ (1580–1580) the

following rendering is given: “One knave will kepe another companye,

one pratteler wille with another, like will to like.” _Letters and

Exercises of John Conybeare_, p. 42. London: Henry Frowde, 1905.

[32] _Audire male._ To have an evil reputation. Lewis and Short aptly

quote from Milton’s _Areopagitica_: “For which England hears ill

abroad.”

[33] On a tombstone. Dr. Bröring quotes from Guicciardini, _Belgicae

Descriptio_, 1635, where an account is given of the tombstone to a

daughter of the Countess Mathilde of Holland in a Cloister near the

Hague.

[34] _Amphora_ is a measure for liquids. It was equal to six gallons

seven pints. The _congius_, in the _Tri-congius_, was a measure of

one-eighth of an _amphora_.

[35] _I.e._ of the nature of bugs.

[36] _Decoxisse_ from _decoquere_—which means both to cook and to

become bankrupt.

[37] Dr. Bröring quotes from Erasmus’s _Adages_, Chil. I. Cent. viii.

Prov. 86, to show that formerly men of obscure birth were termed

_terrae filii_.

[38] _Capitulum lepidissimum_—a term of endearment used by Terence.

[39] Freigius notes that Jubellius Taurea was by far the strongest

horse of the Campanians, whilst Claudius Asellus was a horseman of

equally renowned horsemanship. The steed challenged the rider to a

contest. _See_ Livy, Bk. 3, Decad. 3.

[40] Of the town of Tours, in France.

[41] It is explained by Vives, as a note in the margin, that Curio is

the priest of the parish, commonly called curate.

[42] As Dr. Bröring remarks, “German” is used in the sense of

“brethren.”

[43] With dust in winter and mud in spring, you will reap great grain,

Camillus. Macrobius, _Satur._ v. 20; cf. Vergil, _Georgics_, i. 101.

[44] Happy is the man in his heart, and approaching to the happiness

of the gods themselves, whom glory does not agitate, dazzling with its

lying gloss, nor the evil allurements of haughty luxury, but who lets

the days pass peacefully by and silently, and with the labour of the

poor man wins the peace of the blameless life.

[45] _I.e._, shop packing-paper.

[46] But dispatch now, don’t put off to future hours. Who does not do a

thing to-day may be less able to do it to-morrow.

[47] Let words run, the hand is quicker than they; not as yet has the

tongue done its work until the right hand has accomplished its task.

[48] Is this always the order of the day, then? Here is full morning

coming through the window-shutters, and making the narrow crevices look

larger with the light; yet we go on snoring, enough to carry off the

fumes of that unmanageable Falernian.—(Conington’s Translation.)

[49] Arise, already the baker sells breakfast to boys. On every side,

already, the birds announce the dawn by their chirping.

[50]

“Such days, I trow, at the infancy of earth,

Shone forth, and kept the tenor of their birth;

True spring was that, the world was bent on spring,

And eastern breezes check’d their wintry wing:

While cattle drank new light, and man was shown,

A race of iron from a land of stone;

Then savage beasts were launch’d upon the grove,

And constellations on the heaven above;

Nor could young Nature have achieved the birth,

Unless a period of repose so sweet

Had come to pass, betwixt the cold and heat,

And heaven’s indulgence greeted the new earth.”

R. D. Blackmore’s Translation.

[51] As did Columella, _i.e._, _pruna cereola_. Pliny calls them

_cerina_.

[52] Freigius’s note: _Insularius_ is equivalent to French _concierge_.

[53] Livy, book i.

[54] Book v. cap. 4, de Cimone; Ovid, _Fasti_, book ii.

[55] _I.e._, the beggar in the house of Ulysses at Ithaca. See Martial,

5, 41, 9.

[56] _Georgics_, i. 392. The oil (of lamps is seen) to sparkle and

crumbling fungus to form.

[57] Sleep, the rest of things, sleep, most gracious of the gods, peace

of the mind, whom anxiety shuns, thou who soothest the weary bodies

from their hard duties and restorest them for their labour.

[58] This is a mark of refinement and seemly in one who is cultured—not

to be ignorant of the names of the utensils that are in daily use in

the house.

[59] _Athen._ 12. That he was the first to set the Romans the example

of luxury in all things.

[60] That Apicius exceeded all men in prodigality.

[61] Cooking vessel with feet for coals.

[62] I am not willing to be Caesar, to march through the Britons and to

suffer Scythian frosts.

[63] So says Aelius Spartianus in _Life of Hadrian Florus_ as quoted by

Freigius. See _Crinitus_, book 15, cap. 5.

[64] How often the cook seeks pepper and wine for the breakfasts of the

Fabii to smack of the simple beet.

[65] And heavily used to hang on his arm a bowl with a worn-out handle.

[66] Tell me why does the lettuce, which used to finish off the meals

of our ancestors, now begin _our_ meals?

[67] When I, the Lucanian sausage, come, daughter of the swine of

Picenum, then will the crown be given gladly to the snowy pottage.

[68] As he passed by one day, Diogenes, who was washing vegetables,

scoffed at him and said: “If you had learnt to live on these, you would

not frequent the courts of kings;” and he said: “If you knew how to

associate with your fellow men, you would not be washing vegetables.”

[69] _See_ Cicero, _De Oratore_, iii. (near the end); Quintilian, i.

10; Gellius, _Noctes Atticae_, i. 11.

[70] _Graculus_ is a jackdaw. Aesop has a story of the jackdaw with

borrowed plumes. Juvenal iii. 78 refers to the _Graeculus_, the Roman

attempting to play the Greek.

[71] A red colouring matter.

[72] On what has been set and is set before us, may Christ deign to

give his blessing.

[73] Even with three guests, each seems to me to have a different

taste, each requiring quite different foods with his quite different

palate. HORACE, _Epistles_, ii. 2, 61, 62.

[74] _Georgics_, i. 57.

[75] We should give little to pleasure, as its due; but all the more to

health. CATO, _Disticha de Moribus_, ii. 28.

[76] _See_ Varro, _De re rustica_, III. vi. 6.

[77] We render thanks to Thee, Father, who has provided so many things

for the enjoyment of men: Grant that, by Thy good-will, we may come to

the feast of Thy Blessedness.

[78] For getting well from the bite of dog at night, take from the

dog’s hair your remedy.

[79] Boys play, and play, also, youth and age. Play is the wit,

seriousness, and wisdom of old age. Also human life, what is it but

trifling and empty fable, when virtue is not its sole guiding principle?

[80] Viz., _The Antiochian; or, The Beard-hater_.

[81] _I.e._, the small town of the Parisians.

[82] Vives uses the Roman formula for the passing of laws: “_Velitis,

Quirites, jubeatis._” The response of acceptance being: “_Uti rogas._”

[83] Dr. Bröring renders _glabella_, “the space between the eyebrows.”

_Glabellus_ is derived from _glaber_, the root of which is γλαφ—cf.

_scalpo_, to hollow out—_i.e._, smooth, without hair (Lewis and Short).

[84] _See_ _Valerius Maximus_, book vi. chap. vi.

INDEX

[_Large Roman numerals refer to the number of the

Dialogue; small Roman numerals refer to the pages of the

Introduction; Arabic numerals refer to the pages of the

text._]

A B C tablet, 18

Academy, the, xxxix.

Agonotheta, 106

Alarum-clock, 116

Anneus, a teacher, xliii., 204

Apparel, court, 163

Architriclinus (feast-master), 30

Aristotle, 36, 47, 102, 147

Ascham, Roger, xli.

Atlantides, 98

Bacchus, 151, 156

Baldus, 106

Banquet, 126, 132

“Baptising” wine, 139

Bardus, 107

Bartolus, 106

Batalarii, 102, 103, 106

Beer, 92, 141

Beggar, 43

Bird, the teacher, 89

Birds, different kinds of, 144

Blacksmith, 82

Boatmen, the scum of the sea, 59

Boccaccio, 96

Bömer, Dr., xxii.

Book-gluer, 114

Books, 179

Boorish youth, 52

Boulogne, 56

Bread, different kinds of, 134

Breakfast, 8, 27

Bruges, 33, 34

Budaeus (William Budé), vii.

Buffoons, 170

Busts of authors in library, 105

Candles, 110

Card-playing, XXI.

Catharine of Aragon, xv., xvi., xxviii., 96

_Catholicon, The_, 105

Cato’s distichs quoted, 137

Caryatides, 98

Cervent, Clara, mother of Vives’ wife, xi.

Chancellor, the, 167

Characteristics of the _Dialogues_, xxxvii.

Charts or maps, 186

Cheese, 12, 145

Cherries, buying of, 17;

cherry-stones as stakes, 23

Child, and rattle, 53

Chrysostom, homilies of, 151

_Chytropus_, 120

Cicero, 113;

_Tusculanae Questiones_, 42, 114

Circe, cup of, 170

Clock, 81; mechanical, 82

Clothes, 84 _sqq._

Comb, 4;

ivory, 85

Constable, the, 165

“Cooking” accounts, 50

Cook-shop, 118

Copies, writing, 74

Copper-knobs on books, 113

Counsellors of the king, 166

Courtiers of the king, 167

Cuckoo, the, 46

Cups, 31, 51, 128

Dauphin, the, 165

Dead men can speak, 178

Deafness, 42

de Croy, Cardinal, Vives’ pupil, xii.

Dedication of Vives’ _School Dialogues_, xxi.

Delights of Sight, 88;

of Hearing, 89;

of Smell, 89;

of Taste, 89;

of Touch, 90

Demosthenes, 113

Dialectic, 102

Dice-player, Curius the, 44

Dignitaries of the court, 165

Dilia, river, 83

Dining-room, 96, 128

Diogenes, 125, 136

Discovery of the New World, 95

Disease of thirst, 161

Disputing, 20

Dog, 7, 15, 41, 44

Door-angels, 94

Drama, and the _Dialogues_, xxxvii.

Drawing lots, 189

Dressing, 2 _sqq._

Drinking, 27, 28, 30, 45;

water, 28, 42;

wine, 28, 42;

beer, 31

Drivers, the scum of the earth, 59

Drunkenness, xlvi., XVIII.;

effects of, 160

Dullard, John, xi.

Dürer, Albrecht, 210

Dury, John, and the Academy, xl.

Earth, the, a fruitful mother, 53

Eating, 27

Education, XXIV.;

noble, 233

Elegance of clothes as well as words, 47

Elyot, Sir Thomas, xxxv., xli.

Erasmus, vii., xi.

_Exercitatio_, the Latin title for the _Dialogues_, vii.

Fish, different kinds of, 143

“Flat” wine, 139

Flea, 83, 115

Fleming, 33;

without a knife, 33

Florus quoted, 122

Foods, 37, VII., 92, XV.

Freigius, J. T., editor of _Dialogues_, xxxiv., li.

Frenchmen, 104

Friendships arranged for children by parents, 242

Fruits, 135 _sqq._

Games, xli.;

ball, 2;

dice-playing, 2, 13, 23;

nuts, 22;

odd and even, 22;

draughts, 24;

playing-cards, 24;

tennis, 202

Genders, number of, 35

German, 120

Geometry, 16

Getting up, 1

Godelina of Flanders, 96

Goldfinch, 127

Good, the real, 228 _sqq._

Governing, art of, 177

Grace before meat, 33, 131;

after meat, 38, 148

Grammar, 2, 35, 102

Grammarians, asses, 119, 120

Greek in the _Dialogues_, xxxv.

Greetings, morning, 6

Griselda, 96

Guest, school-boy, 32

Helen, 97

Holiday from school, 56

Holocolax, 165

Home and school life, xxiii.

Homer, 97

Horace quoted, 53, 135

Horses, and their trappings, IX.

Host, a kindly, 153

Hour-bells, 40

Hours of teaching, 103

House, the new, 93;

keeper, 32

Housteville, Aegidius de, xxxvi.

Hugutio, 105

Hunter, Mannius the, 44

Ink, 72

Inscriptions in houses, 97

Intemperance, 241

Isocrates quoted, 177

Joannius, Honoratus, learned man of Valencia, 205

Joviality, the gate of drunkenness, 161

Jugglers, 170

Keeper of Archives, the, 167

King, the, 165;

the palace of the, 163

Kitchen, the, XV., 31;

maid, 31

Ladies’ quarters in the court, 169

Lapinius, Euphrosynus, xxxvi.

Latin speaking, xxx., 34

Laws of play, xliii., 206–9

Lebrija (or Nebrissensis), Antonio de, x., 65

Lecture-room, 65

Letter-carrier, 51, 70

Letters, 18, 21

Library, school, 105

Licentiates, 103

Lie-telling, 13

Life, a journey, 179

Literature out of the class-room, 188

Litigants of the king’s court, 167

Livy, lost decads, 211

Logic, 2

Louvain, inhabitants of (Lovanians), 47

Lover, the, 48

Lucretia, picture of, 95

_Ludus literarius_, a playing with letters, the Latin for a school, 19

Lunch, 27

Lutetia (Paris), 199

Lying, 241

Lyons, 116

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