DIALOGUE ABOUT THE PREACHER.

The following dialogue between Dr. Pietus and Dr. Fastidious, occurred

in a social company, in a parlor, and, thinking it might be profitable

to some brethren, and even churches, we have concluded to publish it

entire, without recommending or condemning it; therefore, we let it

speak for itself:

DR. FASTIDIOUS.—I have, for some time, desired an opportunity to say a

few words, though confidentially to you, Dr. Pietus, touching our

preacher. I think he is not a suitable man, for such a prominent place

as this. You know that we frequently have men of distinction here.

Besides, our city is one of prominence, and we ought to have a man of

distinction.

DR. PIETUS.—I think our preacher is a good man, Doctor, a sound man, and

a man of great moral worth. I thought he gave us one of the best

exhortations at the prayer-meeting, on last Wednesday night, I ever

heard. Did you not think so?

DR. F.—I was not there. He is so uninteresting that I but rarely go to

hear him. I know that he is a good man, and sound enough. But then, he

is a very _common_ man, and not sufficiently showy and eloquent for us.

We need a first-class preacher in a city like this; a man who can draw

out an audience.

DR. P.—I never think of such a thing as a preacher to _draw Christians

out to meeting_. The Lord draws me out to meeting. He has promised

to be there, and I have never found his promise to fail. I am never

disappointed, for I go to meeting believing that he will be there,

and I always find him. But those who only go because they love some

preacher, frequently get disappointed; for the preacher being a

fallible creature, often fails to attend. But I do think our preacher

is a good preacher. I do not know where we could get a better man.

DR. F.—We need a man of distinction and notoriety, who will attract

attention, and draw out an audience. I would then go out and try to do

something. But, I have no faith in doing anything, till we have a more

attractive preacher.

DR. P.—My dear sir, we will never get a preacher who can draw

out an audience, unless _we draw too_. As much depends upon a church

in drawing out an audience as the preacher. No preacher can draw out

an audience unless the church does its part. We must do our part as a

church, or no preacher in the world can do us any good. I still think

our present preacher has done about as much for us, as any man could

have done under the circumstances. It is not a different kind of

preacher we need, but a _different kind of a church_. We need members

that will attend the public worship, sing, pray, exhort, and stand

at their post. In one word, we need a church that will stand by the

preacher, encourage, sustain him, and hold up his hands.

DR. F.—I never saw such a man as you are. You can be satisfied with any

kind of preaching. I never saw you present when any man preached, when

you did not appear satisfied, no matter how bungling he was.

DR. P.—I think but little about preachers, have fewer favorites, and

more rarely speak in praise or complaint of preachers, than almost any

man you can find. I am not thinking of the _messenger_, but of the

_message_.

DR. F.—I can not bear a prosing, stammering and dry preacher. I have

not heard our preacher present anything _new_ in three months. I like

to _learn something_ when I go to hear preaching.

DR. P.—When were you at meeting last? I do not recollect seeing you for

some three months in the meeting house.

DR. F.—I have been pressed with—I have not been very well—the preaching

has not suited me, and there are many in the church that should have

been excluded long since.

DR. P.—No wonder you have heard nothing _new_ from our brother; for

you have not heard him at all. If his preaching had been the best in

the world, it would have done you no good, while you did not hear it.

I will tell you, my dear brother, how to make preaching better to us:

Read the Scriptures every day; pray night and morning; talk to every

one you meet _about religion_, and your heart will be full of the

theme. You will then like to hear any man who can preach at all. Attend

all the meetings, participate in the songs, prayers, exhortations and

all the other parts of public worship, and you will then be interested

in all that you hear from good men.

DR. F.—Your notions of preaching will not do. Our city is one of

intelligence. This community, you must recollect, is highly enlightened,

and we must have a man here that keeps pace with the age. We frequently

have statesmen, lawyers, physicians and men of the first rank in

attendance, and it is useless to think of interesting these with any

_common_ talents. We must have a man of taste, refinement, and highly

accomplished.

DR. P.—When did our Lord ever try to arrest the attention of the elite

of this world by _show_, by mere human _polish_ and _flourish_? Never,

never, Doctor, as you certainly know. Are you not aware, my dear sir,

that the wisdom of God is not in this vain and worldly thing that you

speak of? Sensible people, those truly enlightened and great, can

understand the gospel, appreciate and receive it, when it is simplified

and made appreciable to the masses of the people. Not only so, doctor,

but the class you aim to please, though enlightened in the things of

the world, and accomplished, they are more unenlightened in the things

of the kingdom of God, than many that you never think of pleasing. I

am for a preacher that will try to please the Lord, whether he pleases

your distinguished men or not.

DR. F.—We have had some of the best speakers in the world here, and the

truth is, the people here know what good talent is, and they will not

be satisfied with ordinary men. The people here have been well taught.

No man can attract attention here unless he is a superior man.

DR. P.—That the people here have heard some men of good preaching

talent, is true; but that they are well-read and well taught in

christianity, is far from true. That they understand Jesus or the

apostles well, is far from true. Many perfectly country places and

rural districts contain far more gospel light than may be found in

the bounds of our congregation. We presume that we are wise, while

many plain men from the country are astonished when they converse with

us, that we are so ignorant. To be plain with you, my dear brother,

I know of no place where there is, at this time, more need of plain,

old-fashioned, New Testament preaching than here. It is not worldly

show that we need; we have that now in abundance. We need the simple

teachings of Jesus, solemnly and affectionately impressed upon our

hearts, by some good man who loves us and will try to save us. In the

place of being inflated with the conceit that we are well taught, far

advanced and highly elevated in christian attainments, so that no man

except one of the most exalted accomplishments can teach us, we should

be sensible of what is the true state of the case, viz: That almost

any plain and good man who preaches among us, can teach us many useful

lessons that we do not know.

DR. F.—I can not agree with you. I have had my face burn more than once,

in listening to some ignorant brother, blundering and trying to preach,

who evidently did not understand his mother tongue, and that, too, in

the presence of some distinguished persons. I can never countenance

such a state of things.

DR. P.—Doctor, I had rather hear some good man, who can not speak his

mother tongue correctly, tell the plain story of the cross of Christ,

in the love of Jesus, and in the spirit and power of a holy man of God,

a thousand times, than to listen to one of your _showy men_, who can

preach a beautiful sermon without any Jesus, Holy Spirit, love of God,

or anything else, but _the man himself_ in it. I desire preaching that

will convert men to Jesus—to christianity and not to men. The converts

will then love Jesus, meet and worship him and do those things that are

pleasing in his sight. We do not want a man here to _worship him_, but

to preach Jesus to us and teach us to worship Him.

DR. F.—With your views of the subject, we shall never do any good. We

shall never draw out an audience, nor accomplish anything. I am in

favor of procuring a man at a salary of $2,000 or $2,500, that will

command the respect of our city. Then we shall do some good. I am

willing to give liberally when such an arrangement can be made, but

I do not think our preacher is doing any good, and shall not give

anything for his support.

DR. P.—I am sorry to hear you speak so. Nothing, in my estimation could

be more disastrous to us. This would consume about all we could

possibly raise, so that we could not raise a dollar for missions, for

colleges, the poor or anything only to pay a man to preach _to us_. At

this rate our large congregation would only just be able to support

itself and bear its own weight! Who is to convert the world at this

rate! If we can not do anything more than sustain ourselves who are to

support missions, build colleges and take care of the poor? If you had

such a preacher as you want, he would have to do everything himself,

or you would not be satisfied. Not a brother in the church would ever

pray, exhort, or do anything that would call forth a gift, or develop

any talents that might be among our numbers. Hence in all these city

churches where some great man is the center of attraction, they rarely

ever bring forward any young preachers, or develop any new talent. They

simply monopolize talent brought out and developed some place else. I

am in favor of preachers of ability, not only in our city churches, but

as far as possible, in all the churches. But the way must be opened

among us for the development of talent in the church. Our pride must

not despise incipient efforts—plain and humble men, nor human weakness.

It is in all men more or less, though not always developed in the same

form.

DR. F.—I think if we had such a preacher as I wish, we would draw out

an audience, convert many people and greatly extend the cause in one

year.

DR. P.—No, Doctor, that would not be the case. The preacher we have is

just as good as any man we can get. He is a man of unquestionable

talents and piety and if we stand by him, aid him and encourage him,

thus showing to the world that we respect him, those without will also

respect him and he will succeed. If we had the most gifted man on

the continent and the members of the church would treat him as they

have done our present preacher he would do nothing. By our absenting

ourselves, we virtually say, what you have in so many words said, that

_our preacher can do no good here_. When the members of the church thus

speak and act, neither a man nor an angel can do any thing; and, if I

were the preacher, I would not stay a moment with brethren who would

thus treat me. I would go where I could be appreciated. Doctor, come to

meeting and let us make one good effort and see if we can not bring our

church out. Let us produce a change in the church, and then probably

our preacher will do well enough. I think we need a change in the

church more than in the preacher, or preaching.

“THE LOVE OF CHRIST CONSTRAINS.”

The preachers who love Christ better than partyism, will preach Christ,

will call the people to Christ, and induce them to love him, and love

all that do love him. They will inquire _his_ will, and do it. They

will exchange the love of party for the love of Christ, and find it

so much higher, holier, purer and happier, that they will ignore all

party feuds, wrangling and strifes, and maintain simply “the faith once

delivered to the saints.” No doctrinal corrections, or corrections in

ordinances, or in organization and government, will ever amount to

anything, or save a people, who have not the _love of Christ_. We may

be told that we may be mistaken, that they do love Christ. We cannot

be mistaken in this, for the Lord says, “From the abundance of the

heart, the mouth speaks. A man full of the love of Christ, will speak

of Christ. The theme of his heart will dwell upon his tongue. Where

Christ has promised to be, they will be with him.” “Where two or three

are met together in my name, there,” says the Lord, “_I will be_.” How

many go to these places where Jesus has promised to be? How many go to

the Lord’s table, to remember his dying love? How many of the preachers

will sit down together, as loving disciples, and meditate upon his

dying love, his great suffering, as he bore our sins on the accursed

tree?

When we have lost friends, we go to the grave, and think of them, try

to bring them up in our memories. We talk with our friends about them,

and about seeing them and meeting them in another state. How often do

the professors of religion, in our times, think of the grave of Jesus,

his resurrection, his coronation? How often do they commemorate his

sufferings, and meditate upon his great love to us? His name is almost

set aside, his sufferings almost forgotten, his love, even his dying

love, scarcely mentioned! Yet the word of the Lord, when translated

into English, thunders in our ears!—“If any man love not the Lord

Jesus Christ, he will be accursed when the Lord comes.” We shall hear

these words, and be judged by them, in a day when we shall feel their

force. Jesus is the “one Lord,” the one object of love, the one head

and king. Shall we make an effort to rescue the people from party

influence, and win their hearts and affections from all the frivolous

objects upon which they are placed in partyism, and place them upon Him

who is the express image of the invisible God, the brightness of the

Father’s glory, and in whom all the fullness of the godhead dwells

bodily? Who, with the love of Christ in his own breast, can fail to see

that the work now for good men, is to call the attention of all men to

Christ, to his word, his cause, his church, his salvation, his way,

that they may love him supremely, and be his for evermore?

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