I ask you, then, to turn again to this story, and to see why

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CHRISTIANITY

IN RELATION TO

FREETHOUGHT, SCEPTICISM, AND

FAITH:

THREE DISCOURSES

BY THE BISHOP OF PETERBOROUGH.

WITH

SPECIAL REPLIES

BY MR. CHARLES BRADLAUGH.

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ADVERTISEMENT.

IT will be seen by the following Circular and Correspondence how the

Discourses of the Bishop of Peterborough and Mr. Bradlaugh’s Replies

thereto were brought about. The Dean’s Circular speaks of four

Discourses to be delivered by the Bishop, but in fact only the three here

reported were given. This volume, therefore, contains the whole of both

sides of the question, so far as the discussion has hitherto proceeded in

Norwich. The speeches were all taken down by a competent shorthand

reporter, specially engaged for the _National Reformer_.

The reader will clearly see by the Correspondence that the Christians

refused the proposal of the Secularists that the two parties should

co-operate in publishing together and circulating as widely as possible

the Discourses and Replies. Mr. Bradlaugh has therefore taken upon

himself the responsibility of their joint publication. The extraordinary

reasons given by the Dean (in the last paragraph of his letter of Feb.

15th) for refusing the perfectly fair offer of Mr. Cooper, will not pass

unnoted. His claim to certainty _may_ differ from the claim to

infallibility made on behalf of the Pope and the Romish Church, and the

principle on which he condemns the dissemination of Sceptical works as

treason to human welfare, _may_ differ from that which in Rome has led to

the establishment of the _Index Expurgatorius_; but we confess that in

neither case can we see the difference, and we challenge the Dean to show

that there really is any.

We are confident that Freethinkers generally will appreciate the

disinterested zeal of Mr. R. A. Cooper in making all arrangements

necessary to ensure that the Bishop’s Discourses should be fitly answered

on the spot and without delay.

THE PUBLISHERS.

_April_, 1871.

CIRCULAR OF THE DEAN OF NORWICH.

SIR,—I am about to ask your kind help in an enterprise undertaken for the

religious welfare of our fellow-citizens, to the success of which your

co-operation may very materially contribute. It has been thought that in

large cities, where sceptical views are often so much disseminated, and

spread so widely among all classes, good might be done, under God’s

blessing, by an annual series of discourses from some competent preacher,

directed against modern forms of infidelity, and afterwards published and

circulated at so low a price as should put them within the reach of all.

It is chiefly with the view of holding such discourses there, that the

Dean and Chapter have recently caused the Nave of the Cathedral Church to

be lighted and furnished with chairs, _all of which_ (except, a very few

reserved for persons engaged in the service, or connected with the

Cathedral) _will be perfectly free_. With the view of giving the

preachers a larger discretion as to time, and of making the whole service

shorter, it is proposed to use before the sermon the Litany only with one

or two hymns. I may add that the whole scheme has the thorough sanction

and concurrence of the Lord Bishop of the Diocese, who has been consulted

on every part of it.

_The Lord Bishop of Peterborough has kindly undertaken to give the first

series of discourses on Tuesday_, _the_ 21_st_, _Tuesday_, _the_ 28_th_,

_Wednesday_, _the_ 29_th_, _and Thursday_, _the_ 30_th_ _of March_, _the

service each evening commencing at_ 8 _p.m._

If you approve of our scheme (and pray observe that _the discourses_,

_having for their object the vindication and establishment of the

Christian faith_, _will in all probability hardly notice the points on

which Christians of various Communions differ_), will you kindly help us,

first, by making known among your workpeople or parishioners the days and

hours of the services, with the name of the preacher, and encouraging

them to attend; secondly, by circulating among them the discourses, when

published, of which I shall be greatly pleased to send you as large a

number as you think you can dispose of? On this last point I shall be

obliged by a communication from you.

The subject of the first series of discourses will be “Free Thought.”

I have the honour to be, Sir, your obedient servant,

E. MEYRICK GOULBURN, D.D.

Dean of Norwich.

The Deanery, Norwich, February 7th, 1871.

CORRESPONDENCE.

Norwich, Feb. 13th, 1871.

REV. SIR,—I received with extreme pleasure your circular letter of 7th

inst., relating to, and defining the objects of the Discourses intended

to be delivered next month in the Cathedral, by the Bishop of

Peterborough, and I am induced to reply to it by the conviction that

great good may result from “the scheme,” if you can be induced to modify

it in some particulars.

The circular states that the Discourses are to be “directed against

modern forms of infidelity,” and have for their object the “vindication

and establishment of the Christian faith,” but I assume your ultimate

object is the vindication and establishment of truth—no matter what the

truth may be. If my assumption be correct, I heartily sympathise with

your object, and as a Sceptic or Infidel, will co-operate with my

Christian brethren if permitted.

May I call your attention to a practical difficulty in the way of the

scheme, which I fear you have not sufficiently considered? In the

present state of opinion, or rather in the absence of real opinion, on

these subjects, Sceptics or Infidels cannot always insure the attention

of Christian hearers, or of persons indifferent to the subject of their

discourses, but these and not the confirmed Infidels, are the persons the

zealous Sceptic most desires to reach. I imagine your difficulty is the

same. You want to get at the mighty mass who know and care nothing about

these questions, and also at the Infidel whose opinions you deem so

mischievous. The fact is, the great mass and the Infidel are not likely

to attend unless their attention be in some manner especially drawn to

the Discourses, but you will probably have a large congregation of

believing Christians, whose faith may be confirmed, but yet who do not

hold opinions you wish to change.

I beg to suggest a mode by which I think the difficulty may be removed,

and an interest created that will be useful to the cause of truth—to

Christian truth, if Christianity be true—but to truth, whether

Christianity be true or false.

I intend to invite to Norwich some person who shall be well known as a

representative exponent “of modern forms of Infidelity,” and request him

to deliver a course of lectures at about the same time, and on the same

subject as that chosen by the Bishop of Peterborough, and if you think it

would be useful to give the public the opportunity of reading as well as

hearing the discourses, both expositions of the subject might be

published together, and more extensively circulated and read, in

consequence of the greater interest that would be thus created.

I have always scrupulously abstained from doing anything to influence the

politics or religion of persons in my employment, but in accordance with

your wish, I will take care to inform them all of the Discourses, and

also acquaint them with the high reputation which the Bishop of

Peterborough enjoys as a preacher.

I should be willing to subscribe for 200 copies of the joint publication,

which will enable me to present one to every man and boy in my

employment, who is willing to accept it, and the remainder I shall be

happy to distribute according to the suggestion of the circular.

I am, Rev. Sir, your obedient servant,

ROBERT A. COOPER.

The Very Rev. E. M. Goulburn,

Dean of Norwich.

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The Deanery, Norwich, Feb. 15th, 1871.

SIR,—I beg to acknowledge your letter of the 13th inst., and to thank you

for the readiness you express to circulate among persons in your

employment, the announcement of the Bishop of Peterborough’s Sermons.

I regret that I cannot meet this kindness on your part by assisting in

any way in the circulation of tracts by a representative exponent “of

modern forms of infidelity,” and I will explain in few words the reason

why I must decline the joint publication suggested by your letter.

Professing yourself (as you do) a “Sceptic,” by which I conceive is meant

(according to the derivation of the word) one who has doubts as to

religious truth, and, therefore, is engaged in an inquiry, having for its

object the resolution of those doubts and the arrival at a conclusion; it

is (under your view of the subject) perfectly consistent and reasonable

that you should do all in your power to get both sides of the religious

question ably and fairly expounded, in order to give yourself and others

an opportunity of forming a right conclusion.

But my conclusion on the momentous question has long since been made up.

I am as firmly convinced that Christianity is God’s own message to the

world, the truth and the only truth, the way, and the only way, of

happiness and peace, as that the sun is now shining in the heavens. I

cannot, therefore, help regarding any attempt to throw doubt or discredit

on Christianity as a treason against the highest well-being of my

fellow-creatures. And you will see, therefore, that (under my view) I

could not properly join in disseminating publications, which, at the very

least, will insinuate a doubt as to that revealed religion which I hold

to be the only means of raising and saving our fallen race.

I remain, Sir, your obedient servant,

E. MEYRICK GOULBURN.

Mr. Robert A. Cooper.

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Norwich, Feb. 25th, 1871.

REV. SIR,—I have to acknowledge the receipt of yours of the 15th inst.

(which came to hand on the 22nd), and to regret that you can engage in

the circulation of only one side of the important question you propose to

expound. And I regret it for these reasons, because by so restricting

your action, you, while attacking, prevent the fair expression of that

form of thought which you seek to destroy, and allow those who hold such

opinions to shelter themselves, if need be, under the assumption that

your exposition of the case is not theirs. And, also, because your

expression of the unqualified certainty of your own conviction of the

truth of Christianity (obtained, doubtless, from a consideration of all

sides of the subject), is open to the objection that you fear to trust

the impartial examination of the evidence of that truth to the minds of

others, and implies a latent, though unconscious, doubt of the certainty

of the proof of that truth of which you speak so positively.

I cannot accept your description of my position as a “Sceptic or

Infidel,” but let that pass.

I am still disposed to subscribe for 200 copies of the Bishop’s sermons,

and if you desire me to distribute more, I have no doubt I can dispose of

a considerable number.

I am, Rev. Sir, your obedient servant,

ROBERT A. COOPER.

The Very Rev. E. M. Goulburn,

Dean of Norwich.

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The Deanery, Norwich, Feb. 25th, 1871.

SIR,—In reply to your letter of to-day, in which you say, “I cannot

accept your description of my position as a ‘Sceptic or Infidel,’” I

hasten to assure you that I should never have presumed to describe your

position as such, had I not imagined I had your own authority for doing

so. The words of your letter of the 13th inst., from which I drew this

inference, are:—

“If my assumption be correct, I heartily sympathise with your object,

and as a Sceptic or Infidel, will co-operate with my Christian

brethren if permitted.”

I am thankful and rejoiced to find that my inference was an incorrect

one; but I trust you will acknowledge that there was some ground in the

wording of the sentence for my making it.

I shall be happy to request your _acceptance_ of 200 copies of the

Bishop’s Discourses, and am much obliged to you for your offer of

circulating them.

Yours very faithfully,

E. M. GOULBURN.

Mr. Robert A. Cooper.

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Norwich, March 1st, 1871.

REV. SIR,—I am sorry that in the sentence you refer to, I did not express

my meaning with sufficient clearness to be understood; though I am unable

to see that it will bear the construction you put upon it.

In the circular letter, you speak of the prevalence, in large cities, of

“sceptical views,” and also of “modern forms of infidelity,” evidently

using the words “sceptical” and “infidelity” in their popular and

ordinary, and not in their strict, grammatical sense.

I say evidently, because the phrases “sceptical views,” and “modern

infidelity” appear to be intended as equivalent, and I therefore assume

that you use them in their popular sense, because if I am to suppose you

use the word “sceptical” in its strict etymological meaning, I must also

that you do the word “infidelity,” and I am reluctant to think that you

would, in speaking of the opinions of people who you must know are as

sincere and honest as yourself, deliberately and intentionally do that.

By “sceptical views” and “modern forms of infidelity,” I understood you

to mean both doubt and disbelief of the truth of religion in general, and

Christianity in particular, and I therefore accepted in substance your

own phraseology in the popular sense in which you appeared to use it, and

I speak of myself as a “Sceptic or Infidel,” meaning thereby that I am

not merely a doubter, but a disbeliever—a disbeliever not of “religious

truth,” but the truth of any religion. It is so common for religious

people to speak of disbelievers in general as “sceptics” or “infidels,”

without regard to the derivation or strict meaning of the words, that I

think it would have been pedantic to appear to have understood them in

any other than their common, and I deem not very correct, meaning.

You were, therefore, perfectly entitled to say you had my authority for

describing me as a “Sceptic:” what I demurred to was your description of

my position as a “Sceptic” as I had adopted the term in the sense in

which you seem to use it in your circular, but not in the sense of your

letter. I think the misconception would have been avoided had you used

the whole instead of the half of my expression—viz., “Sceptic or

Infidel,” instead of “Sceptic” only; as your description, if correct, of

the position of a “Sceptic” will clearly not apply to a “Sceptic or

Infidel.”

And here I will endeavour to state “my conclusion on the momentous

question.” I am quite convinced that the history of Jesus Christ, as

recorded in the New Testament, is a fable entirely unworthy of credence,

and that the Christian and all other systems of religion are but

mischievous delusions, but the nature of the evidence by which I arrive

at these conclusions, is so different from that which convinces me that

the sun is shining in the heavens (space?) that I could not use that form

of words as correctly expressing the strength of my convictions.

I regret it is necessary to occupy your time with so long an explanation.

Although I could not agree with what you said, I did not wish to trouble

you further on that point, and thought it would be sufficient to indicate

a dissent without going into detail. Brevity was a failure, and I

apologise.

I am, Rev. Sir, very respectfully, your obedient servant,

ROBERT A. COOPER.

The Very Rev. E. M. Goulburn,

Dean of Norwich.

CHRISTIANITY

IN RELATION TO

FREETHOUGHT, SCEPTICISM, AND FAITH.

CHRISTIANITY AND FREETHOUGHT.

[_First Discourse of the Bishop of Peterborough_, _delivered in Norwich

Cathedral_, _March_ 28_th_, 1871.]

ON Tuesday evening, March 28th, the Right Rev. Dr. Magee, Lord Bishop of

Peterborough, preached the first of a series of Sermons on Christianity

and Freethought, before a large congregation in the nave of the

Cathedral. According to the Dean’s previous arrangements, the nave was

occupied by men, and the south aisle by ladies. The nave was brilliantly

lighted, and the Lord Bishop of Norwich and the full chapter took part in

the service.

After prayers were intoned and a hymn sung, the Right Rev. Prelate

selected his text from the Gospel according to St. John, viii. 33: “How

sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?” His Lordship said:

The scene that is described in this chapter makes, I think, a fitting

introduction to the series of sermons of which I am here to-night to

preach the first. These sermons are meant to be pleadings for

Christ. Their object is to win back to him those who may have left

him, to cause those who have not left him to cling to him more

strongly; to win back disciples to Christ, and to confirm disciples

in their discipleship. That is what I and those who are to follow me

here have in view. For this reason I ask you to-night to study this

story in the life of Christ, because it is one in which we see how

Christ himself, long ago, first won and then lost disciples.

The scene commences with a large accession of disciples to Christ.

We read, that as he spoke these words many believed on him, and the

scene ends with many of those very believers taking up stones to cast

at him. First they believed on him, shortly after they seek to take

his life; and after this is over, we read how his own disciples came

to him again, and said to him, “Master, tell us.” Now, brethren, we

Christians believe that in this scene was a prophecy of the whole

history of Christ’s life upon earth in his Church; the story of those

who come and those who go, of those who believe in him at first, and

of those who cease to believe in him, and also the inner history of

those that never forsake him. We believe that when the noisy strife

of things has passed away, and the execrations of those that hated

him have ceased to ring upon the ear, there still will be heard the

voice of the Church, saying “Master, tell us,” that which others will

not, or cannot listen to; “Master, to whom shall we go? thou hast the

words of eternal life.” But it is not on those who thus stay with

Christ that I ask you to fix your attention. I ask you to-night to

contemplate with me, not those who remain with him, but those who

leave him. I ask you to understand a little of that mental history

that is here shown us, telling us how they passed from belief to

doubt, and from doubt to rejection of Christ.

It will be profitable to us, I think, both to those who believe and

to those who unhappily disbelieve in Christ, that we should study a

little this early instance of Freethought and disbelief. It will be

good for those who do not believe in Christ to look at this scene,

because it will show this fact, that there were those who disbelieved

in Christ. It will show this fact, that this is not a religion whose

origin is lost in the dim distance of time; it is not a legendary

faith of which no one can say when it began or who first taught it,

as it arose in historical times; a faith continuing from the very

first, not without question or dispute, but in spite of the question

and notwithstanding the dispute. It will show that Freethought is as

old as Christianity itself, and when we read how long it is since men

had the same doubts and difficulties, it will occur to us that after

all there must be a wonderful power in this faith that struggles into

acceptance in spite of those doubts and difficulties, and that there

must be some marvellous vitality in the faith that has survived 1800

years, something that is worth inquiring into. This bush that is

burning and never burned, is worth turning aside to look at. It will

be good for us to look at those early unbelievers, because it

strengthens our faith to be reminded that unbelief is no new thing,

and that Christianity has survived more than 1800 years.

It is good for another reason; it teaches us to try to understand the

feelings of those who don’t believe; it teaches us to try to put

ourselves in their place, to try to understand how it is they don’t

agree with us; to make all allowances for the honesty of their

disbelief, to try to enter fairly into their motives and feelings.

If we don’t do this, we are in danger of being hard, and bitter, and

unjust in contending for him, but not in his spirit; forgetting that

there is not one of those who disbelieve in him, for whom he has not

died, forgetting that an unbeliever is not an enemy to be driven back

from the fortress, but an exile to be won back by earnest reasoning

to his Father in Heaven. Let us learn, above all, that in all our

arguments for Christianity we should be filled with the spirit of him

for whom we plead, and that we should manifest the truth in love.

We ask you then to contemplate this scene, in which we find Christ

winning and losing disciples, and learn something. And the first

thing we have to remark is this, how very little those that come and

go seem to have been influenced by what we call the evidences of

Christianity. They were doubtless drawn to Christ by the fame of his

miracles, it does not seem to have been his miracles that converted

them. It was as “he said those words many believed on him.” Then he

said something else, and they left him. It was not that they doubted

of his ability to work miracles, but because something he said

offended them. They came to him not altogether in consequence of his

miracles, and they left him in spite of his miracles. It teaches us

that the religion of Christ was not received unquestioningly, even in

the case of his miracles, for in spite of his miracles they ventured

to question his doctrine; so that those who say Christianity was

received in an ignorant age are contradicted by the story of

Christianity itself, for many of those who saw his miracles rejected

him.

There is another reason for noting this, in order to observe the

power of prejudice and passion in influencing men’s belief or

disbelief. There are few men who believe strictly in accordance with

their reflecting faculties. The desires, prejudices, and passions of

men largely share in the making of their beliefs; and if this be true

of beliefs, it is equally true of men’s unbelief. If there be those

here who do not believe in Christ, I ask them: Are you quite sure

that your unbelief is the result of calm, and thoughtful, and careful

study of what Christianity has to say for itself? Are you sure you

have not hastily taken up some objections against Christianity

without waiting for the answer? Are you quite sure that you have not

misunderstood some words of Christ—some words that, having offended

you, you have passed away without waiting for the reason? Are you

sure that there is no unreason in your unbelief, you that say there

is so little reason in our belief? It is because I am deeply

convinced of this that I am here. It is because I believe that

misconception, prejudice, and hasty adoption of other men’s opinions

upon slender grounds, make a large part of ignorant belief, often a

large part of ignorant unbelief. It is because these

misunderstandings may be removed, that I am here to speak of the

subjects I have announced. It is because I believe it is useless to

argue against prejudices, that I shall endeavour to remove those

prejudices, and mistaken feelings and opinions, that make men

unwilling to listen to arguments for Christianity. Those who follow

me will bring many arguments for Christianity, and I am here to-night

to prepare the way for them.

I ask you, then, to turn again to this story, and to see why it was

that those new disciples left Christ. It was for this reason, that

they were offended because he appeared to deny them the possession of

liberty. When they became his disciples he said, “Ye shall know the

truth, and the truth shall make you free.” Then they answered him,

“We be Abraham’s seed, and were never in bondage to any man; how

sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?” He had offered them liberty,

and this implied that they were not free, and this they regarded as

the gravest of affronts. We, the children of Abraham, the

aristocracy of humanity, those whom the Lord delivered out of Egypt,

whose slaves are we that you venture to offer us freedom? The offer

is an absurdity and an affront, and you are denying us freedom in the

very words; and so left him, for they deemed it an insult to their

birthright of freedom. We, who understand the story, can see how

much these men were mistaken. Our Lord was offering them moral

freedom, and they supposed that he was offering them political

freedom.

There was a misunderstanding as to the nature of liberty; he offered

them a liberty for which they were not desirous. It was a dispute

about liberty between Christ and those first Freethinkers. Now, may

there not be some misunderstanding still? That is the subject of my

sermon to-night. It is Christianity and Freethought. What do you

understand by Freethought? Something opposed to Christianity; and by

a Freethinker, one who rejects all or a part of Christianity. Why do

such men give themselves that name? Because it expresses their

conviction that Christianity is opposed to freedom of thought, that

it puts a restraint on the human intellect. They say that

Christianity shackles the human mind. “I boast of my freedom,” says

the Freethinker; “you require me to submit the freedom of my

intellect to the authority of a book. My mind resents such an

attempt to fetter it, I submit to no authority. You priests and

bigots that come to me with your authority, and threaten me with

penalties for daring to think thus and thus, you are convicting

yourselves of falsehood before you utter another word, for you are

opposed to freedom. I cannot listen to your evidences of

Christianity. No proof of miracle will make me give up my freedom of

thought.” How often do we hear of the bigotry of the priest, and the

enlightened Freethought of the age. Mark then, we have the issue

raised between Christianity and Freethought. Let us understand it

clearly, before we go further. It is true that Christianity comes

with a claim of authority. It is true that Christianity says,

Believe this and that, because Christ has said it. He is seeking men

now, as he did, with authority; and it is true that Christianity does

warn men of certain penalties, heavy and grievous penalties, if they

don’t believe what Christ says. Christianity is authoritative

teaching, accompanied with threats of penalties. Now we are told,

that is just the point at which Christianity comes into collision

with Freethought. Freedom of thought will not endure to hear of

authority, and resents the very idea of penalty.

Now we have put before us the issue between Christianity and

Freethought. It is necessary that we should define for ourselves

what is Freethought. The word is on men’s lips, and I am not sure

that they understand what they mean by it. Let us try to understand

what is Freethought. It may mean one of three things. It may mean

freedom as opposed to necessity, it may mean freedom as opposed to

authority, or it may mean freedom as opposed to responsibility. As

regards the first of these, by freedom as opposed to necessity, we

mean that a man is free to think in one way or another, that it is

not absolutely necessary for him always to think in one way or

another; that is to say, his thought is not the necessary product of

physical constitution, that his thoughts do not grow out of him, as

the blade grows out of the seed or the flower out of the plant; that

it is not mechanical or necessary, but that a man has the power to

choose how he will think. Then as to freedom as opposed to

authority, we mean that a man is not bound to think like other

men—that is, his thought is not subject to any other man’s, and he

has a right to say, “That is your opinion and not mine.” Freedom of

thought as opposed to responsibility means that a man is not

answerable for his belief, and that whatever he thinks on any

subject, he is never to suffer for his belief in any way whatever.

These three are the only possible meanings.

Now let us take them in their order.

First, freedom of thought as opposed to necessity. Does Christianity

deny this freedom? On the contrary, it asserts and vindicates it.

Christianity teaches that man is free, and terribly free, to will his

own belief. It teaches this by the fact that it tells us a man is

answerable for his belief, for a man cannot be answerable for that in

which he has no choice, any more than he has of the colour of his

hair. If he be answerable, it can only be because he has the power

of choosing. It is remarkable that many people who call themselves

Freethinkers, insist on it that man is not answerable for his belief

any more than for the colour of his hair. They thus deny the freedom

of thought. Freedom and responsibility always go together; so you

see in this view of Freethought, Christianity, so far from denying

it, asserts it against many Freethinkers; and in this respect the

Christian is the Freethinker, and maintains the doctrine of

Freethought.

Second, freedom of thought as opposed to the idea of all authority.

We are told that thought cannot be free if it submits to any

authority, and it is quite true in the abstract. Attend to this. It

is true that the abstract idea of freedom is opposed to the abstract

idea of authority, in thought or religion. But it is equally true,

that these are opposed in everything else. It is just as true in

politics, in which the idea of freedom is opposed to the idea of

authority. Where there is absolute freedom, there cannot be

authority. Where there is absolute authority, we cannot understand

logically how there can be any freedom. Starting from the maxim,

“Man is free,” we arrive logically at the conclusion that there can

be no authority for that man. Starting from the axiom, “Authority is

supreme,” is to arrive at the logical conclusion that there is no

room for liberty. The two ideas are logically opposed, the one to

the other. But are they so in practice? Is it a fact that freedom

is found inconsistent with authority? Is it not true that men

reconcile them every day? Is it not true that thought is free, and

yet thought submits itself to authority? Many cherished opinions are

received on authority, not because we have proved them ourselves. We

take the opinion of a lawyer on law, and of a doctor on medicine, as

authority. Morality itself is largely received upon authority. We

are always submitting ourselves to authority. Logically, freedom and

authority are separate, but there never was a society in which the

two did not come together. They are like the chemical elements,

which have a strong affinity for each other, and are never apart,

except when separated in the laboratory of the chemist, but the

moment they are liberated they are together again. It is just the

same with Freethought and authority. Men are always submitting

themselves to authority, and if they did not they would never learn

or know anything. When we speak of the authority of a revelation

from God, we mean that we bring to Freethought, to judge of, the

reasons for believing that the teacher knows more about the things he

teaches than others. That is a very large part of what is called

“the evidence from miracles.” Men speak as if the miracles were the

evidences of the morals of the Gospel. That is not what we say.

What we say is this, Our Lord coming down from heaven (as we believe)

to tell us of another and supernatural world of which he knew and we

did not, gave evidence of that knowledge by bringing down the

supernatural.

Let us suppose we were walking through one of the church-yards of

this city with another person, and the discourse fell upon the

resurrection. If you said it was impossible for any authority to

prove it, and the person said, I know there can be a resurrection of

the dead, and I will give you a proof of it; and suppose he bade the

dead rise, and they sprang alive out of the earth; do you mean to say

that would be no authority from him on the question of the

resurrection of the dead? Would it be a tyranny over Freethought to

be told that the dead can rise? So you see Freethought is not

inconsistent with the authority of a revelation, for this reason,

that the revelation submits its proof to your Freethought.

I am not saying that I have proved the miracles, I am only saying

that by miracles we are not violating Freethought; but on the

contrary we are maintaining it. I speak as unto wise men, judge ye

what I say.

I now come to the third idea of freedom, that is, freedom as opposed

to responsibility; and this is, I really believe, what men mean when

they speak of Freethought as opposed to Christianity. They say, “You

threaten us with penalties for unbelief, and our whole soul revolts

against that. It would be tyrannical to punish a man for his

opinions. We cannot endure men to do this. Do you mean to say that

God will be less just than man and persecute us for our opinions?”

Let us see whether we clearly understand this question. This

objection goes to the principle that no man should be punished for

his opinions. I will ask you to consider this question. Is it true

that no man under any circumstances should be punished for his

opinions? And again is it true that men do not suffer for their

opinions? It is true that so long as he keeps his thoughts to

himself, he will not be punished for them, for the simple reason that

they are not known; but when he utters them, he may be punished. Is

it not true, that a man who utters a seditious, a libellous, or

indecent thought is punished and should be punished? And why?

because the law of liberty of the individual comes into collision

with the higher law of the general welfare, and must give way to it.

There are other penalties; society punishes a man more sharply than

the law. There are offences of thought and speech which the law does

not and should not punish, and yet which society visits very heavily.

Let a man entertain evil and unkind thoughts of his neighbour, and

show it by his looks, and we know how society visits him for his

Freethought. Every man knows that if all the thoughts of his heart

were laid bare, before his fellow men, he might pass a miserable and

outcast existence, because society defends itself against this

injurious exercise of Freethought.

Then pass a step further, and think of the constitution of nature and

of the laws of the world. Does this world of nature allow of

Freethought? Do these natural laws allow a man to make mistakes with

impunity? Let any man think wrong of the powers of nature, that fire

will not burn nor water drown, and he will soon find himself visited

with a sharp and merciless punishment, for there are no laws so

merciless as those of nature. He that transgresses them ignorantly

or wittingly, is beaten alike with many stripes. The great revolving

machinery of the world will not arrest its revolutions because of the

cry of a human creature that by a very innocent error, even by his

mistaken action of Freethought, is ground to pieces beneath them. If

the man of science warns us of the consequences of transgressing the

laws that he has discovered, we should be at liberty to think

differently from him, but it will be at our own proper peril, if we

exercise our Freethought. As sure as you do, so you will suffer from

it. It is not the prophet or his warning that brings down the

penalty, it is not the book upon sanitary law that brings diptheria

or scarlet fever, it is not the sinking of the mercury in the glass

that brings the storm; the written proof in the one case, the mute

proof in the other, foretell the evil, but do not create it. Nature

and science, then, have their warnings, and threatenings, and

penalties; and nature and science avenge themselves on Freethought.

And mark this, the more and more you lose sight of personal will, the

fainter and fainter seems to grow the chance of forgiveness, less and

less room there seems to be for Freethought; there is something in

the words, “I believe in God the Father Almighty, maker of heaven and

earth,” there is something in the loving will that has power to save

the Freethought of his erring creatures from the soulless and

merciless machinery of law.

Now we see how little room there is for Freethought in this world of

law. Let us introduce into the world a fact; let us introduce the

idea of a God; let us suppose for the sake of argument that there is

a God. Can it be a matter of indifference how he feels toward us,

and how we should feel and act toward him? How can there be a

possibility of thought without consequences as regards God, if there

be no possibility of thought without consequences as regards the very

least of God’s works? Does it make no difference to us whether he is

an Almighty tyrant or a father to us, whether or not he can suspend

the terrible laws of nature which we dread? Can we hear about this

God, and not wish to learn all about him? Can there be anything more

absurd than the saying, Let us have religion and no theology? Is

that more sensible than to say, Let us have sun, moon, and stars, and

no astronomy; let us have plants and no botany; let us have the earth

and no geology? If God be a fact, there must certainly come theology

out of that fact. As geology grows out of the fact with which it

deals, so does theology grow out of a fact. Of all the errors of the

time there cannot be a greater absurdity than a religion without

theology, for every religion teaches our obligations to a higher

being. If there be a God, there must be a theology. I will ask you

what is this creed of Christendom? It is nearly all the assertion of

facts:

“I believe in God the Father Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, and

in Jesus Christ his only son our Lord, who was conceived by the Holy

Ghost, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was

crucified, dead and buried; he descended into hell, the third day he

rose again from the dead; he ascended into heaven, and sits at the

right hand of God the Father Almighty: from thence he shall come to

judge the quick and the dead.”

All these assertions of facts you may say are not facts; but if they

be facts, you are bound to think rightly about them. You are bound

to think right about them under penalties, but no more so than as to

other facts. You are as much bound to think right as to the fact of

a God as to any other fact. But men say, These facts are not so

certain as the facts of physical science. We answer, They are more

certain to us; they are to us facts as certain as the great lights of

heaven. We cannot conceive the possibility of ourselves doubting

them. We may say, Perhaps there is a God, and we have a right to

say, The perhaps may become a certainty. If we think right, and you

think wrong, you must suffer the consequences. If a man of science

puts into your hand a book, and warns you of the danger of infection,

and you say you don’t believe it, because you are sceptical about the

teaching, he cannot compel you to believe it, but meantime you will

suffer; the proof may come in sickness and in death, and you will not

escape. And we say, not in anger and bitterness, not in hard

denunciation of the wrath of God—God forbid that we should do it; but

we speak in the same tone of warning, and not threatening, and we

say, If you doubt, remember time is passing, and if you think wrong,

there is danger of the judgment. We say, Take heed how you grope in

the dark and stumble. We cannot alter the facts if they are facts,

and they will affect your happiness. We say, There is in this

nothing uncharitable, no violation of Freethought any more in

religion than in science. We say that the consequences of thinking

erroneously in religion may be as perilous as the consequences of

thinking erroneously as to physical facts. It remains to be shown

what are the facts of our religion. All that we say now is, that an

error about the facts may be fraught with serious consequences, and

we no more violate Freethought than when a physician warns you.

Now, then, I trust we have disposed of those prejudices that lay upon

the threshold of our inquiry, these prejudices against Christianity

as being opposed to Freethought; for if Freethought means freedom as

opposed to necessity, religion does not deny it; if Freethought means

freedom as opposed to authority, religion does not create the

distinction, it is just as easy to reconcile it with religion as with

the state of society. If you mean by Freethought, freedom without

responsibility as to consequences, there is no such thing either in

society or in nature, and you have no right to expect it in religion.

All that we say is, that we are not to expect freedom of thought

without its responsibility. Christianity gives us glimpses of the

means of escape from the operation of material laws in the mercies of

the loving Father of the human family.

FIRST REPLY

OF

MR. C. BRADLAUGH.

CHRISTIANITY AND FREETHOUGHT.

[_Delivered in the Free Library_, _Norwich_, _April_ 3, 1871.]

WHEN on the 7th of February the Very Reverend the Dean of Norwich issued

his circular announcing that a series of discourses would be delivered by

“some competent preacher,” “having for their object the vindication and

establishment of the Christian faith,” and “directed against modern forms

of infidelity,” I felt deep interest, not I presume confined to the ranks

of the party which has permitted me to be its advocate upon this

occasion. The circular was in point of fact an announcement that the

Church of England felt it necessary to challenge and give battle to

modern infidelity; and that having determined that the struggle should be

a real one, it intended to select its best man, and by his mouth to

vindicate and establish the faith, which modern infidelity is doing so

much to undermine, not only in the busy North, but even in the quiet and

church-shadowed capital of East Anglia.

When on my arrival in Norwich I learned that the influence of the Dean

and Chapter of this cathedral city had in no sense been exerted to give

me the sort of opportunity to be heard in reply to their advocate, which

I had a reasonable right to expect, and when I knew that after our

friends making a circuit of the city, in the vain endeavour to hire a

building meet for such an occasion, it was difficult to ensure the use of

the Free Library Hall, I felt that even in Norwich the approved mode of

encountering modern infidelity seemed to be that of free speech for the

church advocate and gagged mouth for the pleader on behalf of heresy.

When I sat in the fine nave of the old cathedral, and weighed the

accessories of choir and organ, intoned litany, and prayer responses

instrumentally accompanied; when I looked at the large number of clergy

present, headed by two bishops, and supported by the wealth and fashion

of the district, I could not but feel that so far as mere scenic effects

went, our side was sadly lacking in such accessories to win adhesion.

When, too, I saw the selected “competent preacher,” the Right Rev. Dr.

Magee, Lord Bishop of Peterborough, whose fame as an eloquent orator, an

erudite and polished disputant, has long since been widely spread, I knew

that our cause laboured under every possible disadvantage save one. It

had but its truth and justice. Prestige, talent, skill, fashion, were

allied to serve the Church. When, moreover, I found that in the local

press religious men, headed by Church of England clergy, sought to excite

prejudices against me before even a word had been spoken on my side, I

could not help thinking that even if defeated in a struggle so unequal it

would leave the Church but little to boast of in its victory. But I

plead neither for mercy nor favour; fair encounter has been asked and

denied, and I take the risk of battle. Although we are to-day the

challenged, the Church refuses tourney ground to our party, and we must

contend as best we can.

In treating the subject of “Christianity and Freethought,” in reply to

the address of the Bishop of Peterborough, I am entitled to narrow, and

shall narrow, the question covered by this reply, to one merely between

the Freethinker and the Church of England Christian only. The litany,

hymns, and prayers which formed the preface to the Bishop’s advocacy are

here fair weapons to use against him. I do not stand here to-night to

plead against Roman Catholic Christianity, or against Wesleyan,

Independent, or Baptist nonconforming Christianity, nor do I plead

against Unitarian Christianity. I am here to reply to the Church and

State Christianity, the thirty-nine articles Christianity; to the system

with which the Lord Bishop of Peterborough has identified his brilliant

talents and great powers of speech, and with all the faults and

corruptions of which he must rest burdened so far as this controversy is

concerned. Here he must not throw aside any one of the three Creeds,

here every line of the Prayer Book affects his teaching. The

Christianity he must defend is that which the 9 and 10 William IV., cap.

32, maintains; the Christianity by law established.

I pass without comment the fact that the text selected by the Lord Bishop

was not only from the Gospel whose authenticity is doubted by many

Christians, but from a chapter specially regarded as an interpolated one.

On this head, I leave Dr. Magee to debate with Dr. Davidson. But I am

bound to draw attention to the very extraordinary exposition given of the

contents of this chapter, which we are invited to study. Dr. Magee says

that the people who were with Jesus, “were doubtless drawn to Christ by

the fame of his miracles,” and that when they left him “it was not that

they doubted of his ability to perform miracles.” Now, so far as this

chapter is concerned, there is not the smallest particle of reference to

miracles at all, and, therefore, Dr. Magee’s words on this head, and even

admitting his alleged authority, were only so much foundationless

verbiage. And when Dr. Magee says that this chapter teaches that “the

religion of Christ was not received unquestioningly, even in the case of

his miracles, for in spite of his miracles they ventured to question his

doctrine,” I can only express my deep regret that the many occupations of

the Lord Bishop of Peterborough should have left him without the time to

master the actual contents of the chapter on which his sermon was based.

Bishop Magee further urges that “those who say that Christianity was

received in an ignorant age, are contradicted by the story of

Christianity itself, for many of those who saw his miracles rejected

them.” I fail to see the contradiction; clearly the Jews were an

ignorant people, they had no scientific literature, no philosophy, no

recorded oratory, not even a language—for the Hebrew is but that which

the captives borrowed from their captors—not a trace of their ancient

tongue having been preserved.

The learned Bishop argues that “the desires, prejudices, and passions of

men largely share in the making of their beliefs.” But surely he might

have carried this farther still, and have shown—and this even apart from

the case made out by Darwin, Spencer, and Wallace—that race, climate,

soil, food, and mode of life, modify and change beliefs, and that such

beliefs are transmissible and transmitted from parent to child in

similar—though perhaps not in the same—fashion as are features and

frames. And as in the case of the _physique_ the inherited nature is

modified, improving or deteriorating with the mode of life of the

individual, so also, but in a more varied degree, with his

thought-abilities and his thoughts. But if it be true, as was so

powerfully urged by the Right Reverend Christian Advocate, that men’s

desires, passions, and prejudices contribute largely to the making up of

their beliefs, what becomes of his Lordship’s subsequent startling

declaration that a man is free to choose what he will believe, “to will

his own belief?” If there are hereditary predispositions to particular

lines of thought, hereditary predispositions to regard particular topics

from limited stand-points, hereditary predispositions to ignore or accept

unquestioningly particular propositions, I ask, Does not the acquiescence

in such a doctrine fatally impeach the Bishop’s arguments?

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