On the latter resolution Mr. Sumner spoke as follows:--

MR. PRESIDENT,--If I have rightly read the history of my country,

there was before Vicksburg an army commanded by three generals from

Ohio,--General Grant, General Sherman, and General McPherson. Now, if I

rightly understand the proposition of the Senator from North Carolina,

he would require that the generals in command of our Army should be

taken geographically,--not according to their merits, not according to

their capacity to defend this Republic and to maintain with honor its

flag, but simply according to the place of their residence,--and no

three generals should be in command from one State. Do I understand the

Senator aright?

MR. ABBOTT. My amendment reads, “as far as practicable.”

MR. SUMNER. Very well,--“as far as practicable.” I would inquire of my

friend whether fitness for office or service in other departments of

the Government does not depend upon capacity, talent, preparation, as

much as in the Army? I ask the Senator if it is not so?

MR. ABBOTT. The purpose of this amendment was not to override

all such considerations; it was to give an expression of the

sense of the Senate that States should not be ignored in the

distribution of this sort of patronage. Nothing in it prevents

three generals from Ohio being in the command of one army, or

the appointment of three Cabinet officers from Ohio; but it is

simply to express the sense of the Senate that these things

ought to be done with something like fairness and justice, as

between the different States.

MR. SUMNER. I take it there is no Senator who does not accept the

general idea of the Senator from North Carolina, that all things should

be done in fairness, and that all parts of the country, every portion

of this great Republic, should be treated with equal respect and honor.

That is clear. But first and foremost above all is the public service:

that must be maintained; it must not be sacrificed; and how can it be

maintained, unless you advance to prominent posts in this service those

who are the most meritorious, and who can best discharge the duties of

the post?

I merely throw out this remark, and call attention to this point, that

Senators may see to what this proposition tends. If it were fully

carried out, it would reduce the public service of this country to one

dead level. Men would go into it merely because they lived in certain

places, not because they had a fitness for the posts to which they were

advanced. Perhaps I am mistaken, but I see no reason why there should

be three Ohio generals in command before Vicksburg, and not three Ohio

citizens in eminent civil service. To my mind the attainments and the

talents required in civil service are as well worthy to be recognized

as those that are required in military service, and I see no reason

for a rule that shall allow talent to be taken without any reference

to geographical limit in the military service which is not equally

applicable to the civil service.

Now, as to our friends who have recently come into this Chamber, I

beg them to understand, that, so far as I am concerned, there is no

disposition to deny or to begrudge them anything to which, according

to geographical proportions, they may be entitled; but I beg them to

consider that time is an essential element of this transition through

which we are passing.

MR. FESSENDEN. Will my friend allow me to make a suggestion to

him?

MR. SUMNER. Certainly.

MR. FESSENDEN. I merely wish to allude to the notorious fact

that for half a century before the Rebellion the proportion of

persons in civil office in the Departments in Washington from

the Southern States was very nearly, if not quite, two to one

to those from all the other States. They had the control, and

had pretty much all the offices, for years and years.

MR. SUMNER. We are now in a process of transition, and I was observing

that time is an essential element in that process. What the Senator

from North Carolina aims at cannot be accomplished at once. The change

cannot be made instantly. The men are not presented from the States

lately in rebellion in sufficient numbers, in sufficient proportion,

with competency for these posts. I know that there are gentlemen there

fit to grace many of these posts, but I know also that there is not

relatively the same proportion of persons fit for the civil service as

there is in the other parts of the country; and our friends from the

South, it seems to me, must take this into consideration kindly, and

wait yet a little longer.

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