I know it.

And do you think, he said, that the two sayings are consistent?

Yes, I said, I think so (at the same time I could not help fearing that

there might be something in what he said). And you think otherwise?

Why, he said, how can he be consistent in both? First of all, premising

as his own thought, 'Hardly can a man become truly good'; and then a

little further on in the poem, forgetting, and blaming Pittacus and

refusing to agree with him, when he says, 'Hardly can a man be good,'

which is the very same thing. And yet when he blames him who says the

same with himself, he blames himself; so that he must be wrong either in

his first or his second assertion.

Many of the audience cheered and applauded this. And I felt at first

giddy and faint, as if I had received a blow from the hand of an expert

boxer, when I heard his words and the sound of the cheering; and to

confess the truth, I wanted to get time to think what the meaning of

the poet really was. So I turned to Prodicus and called him. Prodicus,

I said, Simonides is a countryman of yours, and you ought to come to his

aid. I must appeal to you, like the river Scamander in Homer, who, when

beleaguered by Achilles, summons the Simois to aid him, saying:

'Brother dear, let us both together stay the force of the hero (Il.).'

And I summon you, for I am afraid that Protagoras will make an end of

Simonides. Now is the time to rehabilitate Simonides, by the application

of your philosophy of synonyms, which enables you to distinguish 'will'

and 'wish,' and make other charming distinctions like those which you

drew just now. And I should like to know whether you would agree with

me; for I am of opinion that there is no contradiction in the words of

Simonides. And first of all I wish that you would say whether, in your

opinion, Prodicus, 'being' is the same as 'becoming.'

Not the same, certainly, replied Prodicus.

Did not Simonides first set forth, as his own view, that 'Hardly can a

man become truly good'?

Quite right, said Prodicus.

And then he blames Pittacus, not, as Protagoras imagines, for repeating

that which he says himself, but for saying something different from

himself. Pittacus does not say as Simonides says, that hardly can a man

become good, but hardly can a man be good: and our friend Prodicus would

maintain that being, Protagoras, is not the same as becoming; and if

they are not the same, then Simonides is not inconsistent with himself.

I dare say that Prodicus and many others would say, as Hesiod says,

'On the one hand, hardly can a man become good,

For the gods have made virtue the reward of toil,

But on the other hand, when you have climbed the height,

Then, to retain virtue, however difficult the acquisition, is easy

--(Works and Days).'

Prodicus heard and approved; but Protagoras said: Your correction,

Socrates, involves a greater error than is contained in the sentence

which you are correcting.

Alas! I said, Protagoras; then I am a sorry physician, and do but

aggravate a disorder which I am seeking to cure.

Such is the fact, he said.

How so? I asked.

The poet, he replied, could never have made such a mistake as to say

that virtue, which in the opinion of all men is the hardest of all

things, can be easily retained.

Well, I said, and how fortunate are we in having Prodicus among us, at

the right moment; for he has a wisdom, Protagoras, which, as I imagine,

is more than human and of very ancient date, and may be as old as

Simonides or even older. Learned as you are in many things, you appear

to know nothing of this; but I know, for I am a disciple of his.

And now, if I am not mistaken, you do not understand the word 'hard'

(chalepon) in the sense which Simonides intended; and I must correct

you, as Prodicus corrects me when I use the word 'awful' (deinon) as a

term of praise. If I say that Protagoras or any one else is an 'awfully'

wise man, he asks me if I am not ashamed of calling that which is good

'awful'; and then he explains to me that the term 'awful' is always

taken in a bad sense, and that no one speaks of being 'awfully' healthy

or wealthy, or of 'awful' peace, but of 'awful' disease, 'awful' war,

'awful' poverty, meaning by the term 'awful,' evil. And I think that

Simonides and his countrymen the Ceans, when they spoke of 'hard' meant

'evil,' or something which you do not understand. Let us ask Prodicus,

for he ought to be able to answer questions about the dialect of

Simonides. What did he mean, Prodicus, by the term 'hard'?

Evil, said Prodicus.

And therefore, I said, Prodicus, he blames Pittacus for saying, 'Hard is

the good,' just as if that were equivalent to saying, Evil is the good.

Yes, he said, that was certainly his meaning; and he is twitting

Pittacus with ignorance of the use of terms, which in a Lesbian, who has

been accustomed to speak a barbarous language, is natural.

Do you hear, Protagoras, I asked, what our friend Prodicus is saying?

And have you an answer for him?

You are entirely mistaken, Prodicus, said Protagoras; and I know very

well that Simonides in using the word 'hard' meant what all of us mean,

not evil, but that which is not easy--that which takes a great deal of

trouble: of this I am positive.

I said: I also incline to believe, Protagoras, that this was the meaning

of Simonides, of which our friend Prodicus was very well aware, but

he thought that he would make fun, and try if you could maintain your

thesis; for that Simonides could never have meant the other is clearly

proved by the context, in which he says that God only has this gift. Now

he cannot surely mean to say that to be good is evil, when he afterwards

proceeds to say that God only has this gift, and that this is the

attribute of him and of no other. For if this be his meaning, Prodicus

would impute to Simonides a character of recklessness which is very

unlike his countrymen. And I should like to tell you, I said, what I

imagine to be the real meaning of Simonides in this poem, if you will

test what, in your way of speaking, would be called my skill in poetry;

or if you would rather, I will be the listener.

To this proposal Protagoras replied: As you please;--and Hippias,

Prodicus, and the others told me by all means to do as I proposed.

Then now, I said, I will endeavour to explain to you my opinion about

this poem of Simonides. There is a very ancient philosophy which is more

cultivated in Crete and Lacedaemon than in any other part of Hellas, and

there are more philosophers in those countries than anywhere else in

the world. This, however, is a secret which the Lacedaemonians deny; and

they pretend to be ignorant, just because they do not wish to have it

thought that they rule the world by wisdom, like the Sophists of whom

Protagoras was speaking, and not by valour of arms; considering that

if the reason of their superiority were disclosed, all men would be

practising their wisdom. And this secret of theirs has never been

discovered by the imitators of Lacedaemonian fashions in other cities,

who go about with their ears bruised in imitation of them, and have the

caestus bound on their arms, and are always in training, and wear short

cloaks; for they imagine that these are the practices which have

enabled the Lacedaemonians to conquer the other Hellenes. Now when the

Lacedaemonians want to unbend and hold free conversation with their

wise men, and are no longer satisfied with mere secret intercourse, they

drive out all these laconizers, and any other foreigners who may happen

to be in their country, and they hold a philosophical seance unknown

to strangers; and they themselves forbid their young men to go out into

other cities--in this they are like the Cretans--in order that they may

not unlearn the lessons which they have taught them. And in Lacedaemon

and Crete not only men but also women have a pride in their high

cultivation. And hereby you may know that I am right in attributing to

the Lacedaemonians this excellence in philosophy and speculation: If

a man converses with the most ordinary Lacedaemonian, he will find him

seldom good for much in general conversation, but at any point in the

discourse he will be darting out some notable saying, terse and full of

meaning, with unerring aim; and the person with whom he is talking seems

to be like a child in his hands. And many of our own age and of former

ages have noted that the true Lacedaemonian type of character has the

love of philosophy even stronger than the love of gymnastics; they are

conscious that only a perfectly educated man is capable of uttering such

expressions. Such were Thales of Miletus, and Pittacus of Mitylene, and

Bias of Priene, and our own Solon, and Cleobulus the Lindian, and

Myson the Chenian; and seventh in the catalogue of wise men was the

Lacedaemonian Chilo. All these were lovers and emulators and disciples

of the culture of the Lacedaemonians, and any one may perceive that

their wisdom was of this character; consisting of short memorable

sentences, which they severally uttered. And they met together and

dedicated in the temple of Apollo at Delphi, as the first-fruits

of their wisdom, the far-famed inscriptions, which are in all men's

mouths--'Know thyself,' and 'Nothing too much.'

Why do I say all this? I am explaining that this Lacedaemonian brevity

was the style of primitive philosophy. Now there was a saying of

Pittacus which was privately circulated and received the approbation of

the wise, 'Hard is it to be good.' And Simonides, who was ambitious of

the fame of wisdom, was aware that if he could overthrow this saying,

then, as if he had won a victory over some famous athlete, he would

carry off the palm among his contemporaries. And if I am not mistaken,

he composed the entire poem with the secret intention of damaging

Pittacus and his saying.

Let us all unite in examining his words, and see whether I am speaking

the truth. Simonides must have been a lunatic, if, in the very first

words of the poem, wanting to say only that to become good is hard, he

inserted (Greek) 'on the one hand' ('on the one hand to become good is

hard'); there would be no reason for the introduction of (Greek),

unless you suppose him to speak with a hostile reference to the words

of Pittacus. Pittacus is saying 'Hard is it to be good,' and he, in

refutation of this thesis, rejoins that the truly hard thing, Pittacus,

is to become good, not joining 'truly' with 'good,' but with 'hard.'

Not, that the hard thing is to be truly good, as though there were some

truly good men, and there were others who were good but not truly

good (this would be a very simple observation, and quite unworthy of

Simonides); but you must suppose him to make a trajection of the word

'truly' (Greek), construing the saying of Pittacus thus (and let us

imagine Pittacus to be speaking and Simonides answering him): 'O my

friends,' says Pittacus, 'hard is it to be good,' and Simonides answers,

'In that, Pittacus, you are mistaken; the difficulty is not to be good,

but on the one hand, to become good, four-square in hands and feet

and mind, without a flaw--that is hard truly.' This way of reading the

passage accounts for the insertion of (Greek) 'on the one hand,' and for

the position at the end of the clause of the word 'truly,' and all that

follows shows this to be the meaning. A great deal might be said

in praise of the details of the poem, which is a charming piece of

workmanship, and very finished, but such minutiae would be tedious. I

should like, however, to point out the general intention of the poem,

which is certainly designed in every part to be a refutation of the

saying of Pittacus. For he speaks in what follows a little further on

as if he meant to argue that although there is a difficulty in becoming

good, yet this is possible for a time, and only for a time. But having

become good, to remain in a good state and be good, as you, Pittacus,

affirm, is not possible, and is not granted to man; God only has this

blessing; 'but man cannot help being bad when the force of circumstances

overpowers him.' Now whom does the force of circumstance overpower in

the command of a vessel?--not the private individual, for he is always

overpowered; and as one who is already prostrate cannot be overthrown,

and only he who is standing upright but not he who is prostrate can be

laid prostrate, so the force of circumstances can only overpower him

who, at some time or other, has resources, and not him who is at

all times helpless. The descent of a great storm may make the pilot

helpless, or the severity of the season the husbandman or the physician;

for the good may become bad, as another poet witnesses:--

'The good are sometimes good and sometimes bad.'

But the bad does not become bad; he is always bad. So that when the

force of circumstances overpowers the man of resources and skill and

virtue, then he cannot help being bad. And you, Pittacus, are saying,

'Hard is it to be good.' Now there is a difficulty in becoming good; and

yet this is possible: but to be good is an impossibility--

'For he who does well is the good man, and he who does ill is the bad.'

But what sort of doing is good in letters? and what sort of doing makes

a man good in letters? Clearly the knowing of them. And what sort of

well-doing makes a man a good physician? Clearly the knowledge of the

art of healing the sick. 'But he who does ill is the bad.' Now who

becomes a bad physician? Clearly he who is in the first place a

physician, and in the second place a good physician; for he may become a

bad one also: but none of us unskilled individuals can by any amount of

doing ill become physicians, any more than we can become carpenters or

anything of that sort; and he who by doing ill cannot become a physician

at all, clearly cannot become a bad physician. In like manner the good

may become deteriorated by time, or toil, or disease, or other accident

(the only real doing ill is to be deprived of knowledge), but the bad

man will never become bad, for he is always bad; and if he were to

become bad, he must previously have been good. Thus the words of the

poem tend to show that on the one hand a man cannot be continuously

good, but that he may become good and may also become bad; and again

that

'They are the best for the longest time whom the gods love.'

All this relates to Pittacus, as is further proved by the sequel. For he

adds:--

'Therefore I will not throw away my span of life to no purpose in

searching after the impossible, hoping in vain to find a perfectly

faultless man among those who partake of the fruit of the broad-bosomed

earth: if I find him, I will send you word.'

(this is the vehement way in which he pursues his attack upon Pittacus

throughout the whole poem):

'But him who does no evil, voluntarily I praise and love;--not even the

gods war against necessity.'

All this has a similar drift, for Simonides was not so ignorant as to

say that he praised those who did no evil voluntarily, as though there

were some who did evil voluntarily. For no wise man, as I believe, will

allow that any human being errs voluntarily, or voluntarily does evil

and dishonourable actions; but they are very well aware that all who do

evil and dishonourable things do them against their will. And Simonides

never says that he praises him who does no evil voluntarily; the word

'voluntarily' applies to himself. For he was under the impression that

a good man might often compel himself to love and praise another, and

to be the friend and approver of another; and that there might be an

involuntary love, such as a man might feel to an unnatural father or

mother, or country, or the like. Now bad men, when their parents or

country have any defects, look on them with malignant joy, and find

fault with them and expose and denounce them to others, under the idea

that the rest of mankind will be less likely to take themselves to task

and accuse them of neglect; and they blame their defects far more than

they deserve, in order that the odium which is necessarily incurred by

them may be increased: but the good man dissembles his feelings, and

constrains himself to praise them; and if they have wronged him and he

is angry, he pacifies his anger and is reconciled, and compels himself

to love and praise his own flesh and blood. And Simonides, as is

probable, considered that he himself had often had to praise and magnify

a tyrant or the like, much against his will, and he also wishes to imply

to Pittacus that he does not censure him because he is censorious.

'For I am satisfied' he says, 'when a man is neither bad nor very

stupid; and when he knows justice (which is the health of states), and

is of sound mind, I will find no fault with him, for I am not given to

finding fault, and there are innumerable fools'

(implying that if he delighted in censure he might have abundant

opportunity of finding fault).

'All things are good with which evil is unmingled.'

In these latter words he does not mean to say that all things are good

which have no evil in them, as you might say 'All things are white which

have no black in them,' for that would be ridiculous; but he means to

say that he accepts and finds no fault with the moderate or intermediate

state.

('I do not hope' he says, 'to find a perfectly blameless man among those

who partake of the fruits of the broad-bosomed earth (if I find him,

I will send you word); in this sense I praise no man. But he who is

moderately good, and does no evil, is good enough for me, who love and

approve every one')

(and here observe that he uses a Lesbian word, epainemi (approve),

because he is addressing Pittacus,

'Who love and APPROVE every one VOLUNTARILY, who does no evil:'

and that the stop should be put after 'voluntarily'); 'but there are

some whom I involuntarily praise and love. And you, Pittacus, I would

never have blamed, if you had spoken what was moderately good and true;

but I do blame you because, putting on the appearance of truth, you are

speaking falsely about the highest matters.'--And this, I said, Prodicus

and Protagoras, I take to be the meaning of Simonides in this poem.

Hippias said: I think, Socrates, that you have given a very good

explanation of the poem; but I have also an excellent interpretation of

my own which I will propound to you, if you will allow me.

Nay, Hippias, said Alcibiades; not now, but at some other time. At

present we must abide by the compact which was made between Socrates and

Protagoras, to the effect that as long as Protagoras is willing to ask,

Socrates should answer; or that if he would rather answer, then that

Socrates should ask.

I said: I wish Protagoras either to ask or answer as he is inclined; but

I would rather have done with poems and odes, if he does not object,

and come back to the question about which I was asking you at first,

Protagoras, and by your help make an end of that. The talk about the

poets seems to me like a commonplace entertainment to which a vulgar

company have recourse; who, because they are not able to converse or

amuse one another, while they are drinking, with the sound of their own

voices and conversation, by reason of their stupidity, raise the price

of flute-girls in the market, hiring for a great sum the voice of a

flute instead of their own breath, to be the medium of intercourse among

them: but where the company are real gentlemen and men of education,

you will see no flute-girls, nor dancing-girls, nor harp-girls; and

they have no nonsense or games, but are contented with one another's

conversation, of which their own voices are the medium, and which they

carry on by turns and in an orderly manner, even though they are very

liberal in their potations. And a company like this of ours, and men

such as we profess to be, do not require the help of another's voice, or

of the poets whom you cannot interrogate about the meaning of what they

are saying; people who cite them declaring, some that the poet has

one meaning, and others that he has another, and the point which is in

dispute can never be decided. This sort of entertainment they decline,

and prefer to talk with one another, and put one another to the proof

in conversation. And these are the models which I desire that you and I

should imitate. Leaving the poets, and keeping to ourselves, let us try

the mettle of one another and make proof of the truth in conversation.

If you have a mind to ask, I am ready to answer; or if you would rather,

do you answer, and give me the opportunity of resuming and completing

our unfinished argument.

I made these and some similar observations; but Protagoras would

not distinctly say which he would do. Thereupon Alcibiades turned to

Callias, and said:--Do you think, Callias, that Protagoras is fair in

refusing to say whether he will or will not answer? for I certainly

think that he is unfair; he ought either to proceed with the argument,

or distinctly refuse to proceed, that we may know his intention; and

then Socrates will be able to discourse with some one else, and the rest

of the company will be free to talk with one another.

I think that Protagoras was really made ashamed by these words of

Alcibiades, and when the prayers of Callias and the company were

superadded, he was at last induced to argue, and said that I might ask

and he would answer.

So I said: Do not imagine, Protagoras, that I have any other interest in

asking questions of you but that of clearing up my own difficulties. For

I think that Homer was very right in saying that

'When two go together, one sees before the other (Il.),'

for all men who have a companion are readier in deed, word, or thought;

but if a man

'Sees a thing when he is alone,'

he goes about straightway seeking until he finds some one to whom he

may show his discoveries, and who may confirm him in them. And I would

rather hold discourse with you than with any one, because I think that

no man has a better understanding of most things which a good man may be

expected to understand, and in particular of virtue. For who is there,

but you?--who not only claim to be a good man and a gentleman, for many

are this, and yet have not the power of making others good--whereas you

are not only good yourself, but also the cause of goodness in others.

Moreover such confidence have you in yourself, that although other

Sophists conceal their profession, you proclaim in the face of Hellas

that you are a Sophist or teacher of virtue and education, and are

the first who demanded pay in return. How then can I do otherwise than

invite you to the examination of these subjects, and ask questions and

consult with you? I must, indeed. And I should like once more to have

my memory refreshed by you about the questions which I was asking you

at first, and also to have your help in considering them. If I am not

mistaken the question was this: Are wisdom and temperance and courage

and justice and holiness five names of the same thing? or has each of

the names a separate underlying essence and corresponding thing having a

peculiar function, no one of them being like any other of them? And you

replied that the five names were not the names of the same thing, but

that each of them had a separate object, and that all these objects were

parts of virtue, not in the same way that the parts of gold are like

each other and the whole of which they are parts, but as the parts of

the face are unlike the whole of which they are parts and one another,

and have each of them a distinct function. I should like to know whether

this is still your opinion; or if not, I will ask you to define your

meaning, and I shall not take you to task if you now make a different

statement. For I dare say that you may have said what you did only in

order to make trial of me.

I answer, Socrates, he said, that all these qualities are parts of

virtue, and that four out of the five are to some extent similar, and

that the fifth of them, which is courage, is very different from the

other four, as I prove in this way: You may observe that many men are

utterly unrighteous, unholy, intemperate, ignorant, who are nevertheless

remarkable for their courage.

Stop, I said; I should like to think about that. When you speak of brave

men, do you mean the confident, or another sort of nature?

Yes, he said; I mean the impetuous, ready to go at that which others are

afraid to approach.

In the next place, you would affirm virtue to be a good thing, of which

good thing you assert yourself to be a teacher.

Yes, he said; I should say the best of all things, if I am in my right

mind.

And is it partly good and partly bad, I said, or wholly good?

Wholly good, and in the highest degree.

Tell me then; who are they who have confidence when diving into a well?

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