Mr. BALL. Did he----

Mr. BOGARD. He might have drove a little reckless, but other than that,

he knew how to drive.

Mr. BALL. What do you mean, "He might have drove it a little reckless"?

Mr. BOGARD. Well, going 60 and 70 miles an hour right up a Freeway and

took curves kind of fast.

Mr. BALL. Did it appear to you that he knew how to handle the car?

Mr. BOGARD. Yes.

Mr. BALL. Now, when you got back to the showroom you say you did some

figuring. What kind of figuring?

Mr. BOGARD. Just took out some papers and going to write up how much

the car would cost and, just like with anybody else, just trying to

close the deal, and he said he would have the money in 2 or 3 weeks and

would come in and----

Mr. BALL. Did you tell him you needed a down payment?

Mr. BOGARD. He said he would have it.

Mr. BALL. Did you tell him how much?

Mr. BOGARD. Yes.

Mr. BALL. How much?

Mr. BOGARD. Three hundred dollars, I think. And he said he didn't have

the money then and would just pay cash for it at a later date.

Mr. BALL. Did he tell you where he lived?

Mr. BOGARD. No, sir.

Mr. BALL. Did he give you his--didn't give you his address or telephone

number?

Mr. BOGARD. No, sir; or occupation.

Mr. BALL. And he gave you his name, though?

Mr. BOGARD. Lee Oswald.

Mr. BALL. At what time?

Mr. BOGARD. That is when he was fixing to leave.

Mr. BALL. Lee Oswald?

Mr. BOGARD. Uh-huh.

Mr. BALL. You say you wrote it on one of your own cards?

Mr. BOGARD. Yes, sir; back of one of my business cards.

Mr. BALL. Did you tell anybody about it at that time?

Mr. BOGARD. Now, at that time I don't know whether--Now, Mr. Pizzo, I

think I introduced him to him. I introduced him to Mr. Pizzo. He asked

what was wrong with him and I said he hasn't got the money right now.

Will be back in a couple or 3 weeks.

Mr. BALL. You introduced him to Pizzo?

Mr. BOGARD. Yes, sir.

Mr. BALL. And you said this in front of Pizzo that he didn't have the

money?

Mr. BOGARD. Yes, sir; he was expecting some money--to have the money in

2 or 3 weeks.

Mr. BALL. When did you see the television that called your attention to

this?

Mr. BOGARD. I heard it on the radio.

Mr. BALL. You heard it on the radio?

Mr. BOGARD. And then I tore the card up, and that very same night on

the 10 o'clock news, I think it was, if I remember correctly, I saw him

on TV.

Mr. BALL. Did you see any pictures of Lee Oswald in the newspaper?

Mr. BOGARD. Yes, sir; Dallas Morning News, next morning.

Mr. BALL. Now, what was your impression when you saw the man on

television?

Mr. BOGARD. All my impression was that he had been in and tried to buy

a car, that he wasn't a prospect any more.

Mr. BALL. What about his picture in the paper? Did it appear to be--did

you recognize him from the picture?

Mr. BOGARD. Yes; I recognized him as being the same fellow that had

been in.

Mr. BALL. And did you tell anybody out there that you thought it was

the same person?

Mr. BOGARD. They began asking me then, and I said, "Yes," and this

Pizzo recognized him, too.

Mr. BALL. What did Pizzo say?

Mr. BOGARD. Said, "Yes; that is the same man." And Pizzo also has been

questioned by the FBI.

Mr. BALL. How do you spell his name?

Mr. BOGARD. P-i-z-z-o.

Mr. BALL. He was the sales manager?

Mr. BOGARD. Yes, sir.

Mr. BALL. Is he still the sales manager out there?

Mr. BOGARD. No, sir.

Mr. BALL. Where is he now?

Mr. BOGARD. I don't know. I think, though, that he is at Eagle

Lincoln-Mercury. I wouldn't be for sure, because I haven't seen Pizzo

since I left Downtown Lincoln-Mercury.

Mr. BALL. Now, when was it that you talked to the other salesman about

this and told them that you thought the man had been in to see you?

Mr. BOGARD. We were all standing there listening to the radio and the

name came on the radio, and I pulled this business card out with "Lee

Oswald," wrote across it.

Mr. BALL. Who were some of the men standing by the radio when you

pulled this business card out?

Mr. BOGARD. Oh, I think Oran Brown was there, Mr. Wilson was there, and

this other little boy, he hadn't been there very long. I can't remember

his name at this time right now.

Mr. BALL. Oran Brown and Wilson?

Mr. BOGARD. Yes.

Mr. BALL. What are Wilson's initials, do you have them?

Mr. BOGARD. I can't remember Mr. Wilson's initials right now.

Mr. BALL. Wilson a salesman?

Mr. BOGARD. Yes, sir; been there for about 12 years.

Mr. BALL. Is Brown a salesman?

Mr. BOGARD. He works for Fina Oil Co. out here on Inwood Road now.

Mr. BALL. What is it?

Mr. BOGARD. [Spelling] O-r-a-n.

Mr. BALL. [Spelling] O-r-a-n--oil what?

Mr. BOGARD. My--no, he works for Fina Oil Co., American Petra Fina Oil

Co. A service station.

Mr. BALL. Service station?

Mr. BOGARD. He manages this service station out there. New, big service

station.

Mr. BALL. Well, Mr. Bogard, did you receive a letter from the

Commission asking you to appear here?

Mr. BOGARD. No, sir.

Mr. BALL. You were asked to appear by the Secret Service?

Mr. BOGARD. Yes, sir.

Mr. BALL. I probably should have stated to you the purpose of this

inquiry. The Commission has been authorized to investigate the

assassination of the President and any facts or circumstances that

might determine who assassinated him. And our attention was called to

your testimony by the Federal Bureau of Investigation report, and we

asked you to come in and testify and you did so willingly, didn't you?

Mr. BOGARD. Yes, sir.

Mr. BALL. You were willing?

Mr. BOGARD. Yes, sir.

Mr. BALL. Willing to come in and testify and be sworn?

Mr. BOGARD. Yes, sir.

Mr. BALL. And testify as to these facts?

Mr. BOGARD. Yes, sir.

Mr. BALL. I am a staff officer with the Commission.

Mr. BOGARD. Yes, sir.

Mr. BALL. And I am authorized by the Commission to administer the oath

to you and ask you these questions, and all questions you answered were

under oath. You understand that?

Mr. BOGARD. Yes, sir; I answered the same questions under a polygraph

test.

Mr. BALL. Under a polygraph test from the FBI?

Mr. BOGARD. Yes, sir.

Mr. BALL. Now, this will be written up and submitted to you for your

signature, and you can come down here and look it over and read it and

sign it, or you may waive your signature--whatever you wish. Which do

you prefer?

Mr. BOGARD. Which do you want? Put it that way.

Mr. BALL. I'm going to leave it up to you. That is really something for

you to decide whether you want to come back down here or not.

Mr. BOGARD. I don't mind coming back down.

Mr. BALL. We'll notify you and you can come in and we will notify you

when it is ready and you can come in and sign it.

Mr. BOGARD. Thank you.

Mr. BALL. Thank you for coming down.

Mr. BOGARD. Thank you, Mr. Ball.

Mr. BALL. All right.

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