Mr. RANKIN. Did you have any contacts with the----

Mr. JOHNSON. That's so flagrantly against anything about the Communist

viewpoint that it's----

Mr. RANKIN. Will you explain that, Mr. Johnson?

Mr. JOHNSON. Communists just do not believe in assassination as a

method of social change, and----

Mr. RANKIN. You mean that as far as the Communist Party of the United

States is concerned?

Mr. JOHNSON. Definitely.

Mr. RANKIN. Or generally?

Mr. JOHNSON. Definitely and generally. I mean that very specifically.

It has nothing to do with it. We would say that anybody who harbors

such a thought is not only not a Communist but an anti-Communist

basically.

Mr. RANKIN. Would you extend that to cover the activities of various

groups in the Soviet Union?

Mr. JOHNSON. As far as assassination is concerned, yes.

Mr. RANKIN. I thought there was information that they had people

connected with the government who were engaged in trying to understand

and be able to use methods of assassination.

Mr. JOHNSON. No.

Mr. RANKIN. You don't think that's true?

Mr. JOHNSON. Oh, no. That's not true. That's dissident groups, groups

like that, not Communist groups.

Mr. RANKIN. You don't think that is a part presently of the Soviet

Union----

Mr. JOHNSON. Definitely not.

Mr. RANKIN. And you don't think it is any part of the plans of the

Communist Party of the United States?

Mr. JOHNSON. I know that a thousand percent. We have for years made it

a point if anybody has such viewpoints they cannot ever be a member of

the party. They are expelled et cetera. We specifically speak against

any acts of terrorism or individual violence et cetera.

Mr. RANKIN. Did you have any contact with Columbia Broadcasting System

in regard to news matters relating to Lee Harvey Oswald?

Mr. JOHNSON. That's what I was referring to before, that as soon

as--yes, on the--I was trying to say the date, on the 23d, the day

after the assassination, I called and issued a statement to all the

news media in which I made it clear that Lee Harvey Oswald was not

associated with us in any way and so forth, and they carried this on

the radio or on television, I think one of them did. But it was also

carried on the front page of the New York Times and through other

papers. That was called in to all the stations, not just to Columbia.

There was a seven-sentence statement.

Mr. RANKIN. Did you ever say that Lee Harvey Oswald was not given

citizenship in the Soviet Union because they considered him a Fascist,

or words to that effect?

Mr. JOHNSON. I don't recall that. I don't recall that.

Mr. RANKIN. Was that your belief?

Mr. JOHNSON. I never got involved in the reason, as I recall, as to why

he was not given citizenship there. I assumed they had good reasons.

Mr. RANKIN. Did you ever see any writings or communications or anything

to indicate that he had a Fascist philosophy?

Mr. JOHNSON. The only feature within that would be, within one of these

letters, when he refers to the fact that he attended the Walker meeting

down there in Dallas; another reported story of his volunteering to be

on both sides as far as Cuba was concerned, and then the further point,

and this is a matter of political orientation maybe as to why he was in

contact with Senator Tower instead of Senator Yarborough; that is just

pure speculation, it doesn't mean very much.

Mr. RANKIN. Most of his expressions in his correspondence that you

produced indicated an interest and sympathy with the Communist Party

rather than any Fascist group, didn't they?

Mr. JOHNSON. But the main point would be that this act is so

contradictory to anything in the Communist viewpoint, and that would be

the essential test, that any person who has that kind of a mentality

could just as well be covering up in communications, and that would

be one of the difficulties of it; but the act itself, you see, would

be an act, that kind of act of terrorism based upon the climate and

everything there which would have been an act from a Fascist-minded

person instead of from a Communist-minded person.

Mr. RANKIN. Do you have any evidence or know of any evidence to

indicate that this assassination was a rightist or extreme right plot

of any kind, conspiracy?

Mr. JOHNSON. Not of evidence in that sense, no. If you draw conclusions

from the materials that were being circulated in Dallas, that ad in the

newspaper that morning, and the various communications of people, of

the added hate atmosphere, the warnings that were made of that hatred,

that was all of a rightist character.

Mr. RANKIN. But that wouldn't necessarily mean that there was any plot

or conspiracy to assassinate President Kennedy, would it? Or does it to

you?

Mr. JOHNSON. Well, I would rather think not. I mean I would rather

think that nobody would proceed from any of this to the point of

assassination. And there it is a matter I think where a person may have

an opinion and not necessarily have evidence that could substantiate

the opinion.

Mr. RANKIN. Or you could speculate easily?

Mr. JOHNSON. That is speculation.

Mr. RANKIN. Whether it was a rightist plot or there was a leftist plot?

Mr. JOHNSON. If there was a plot, it was only a rightist plot.

Mr. RANKIN. And you say that because you consider the act of

assassination to accomplish political ends is not within the Communist

Party philosophy; is that right?

Mr. JOHNSON. That is basically true. The second basic point would be

the attitude of the Communist towards President Kennedy was one of high

regard and respect, even though sharply differing on many things, but

it was always that.

Mr. RANKIN. Mr. Johnson, do you have any other papers or knowledge

bearing upon the assassination of President Kennedy that you haven't

related here?

Mr. JOHNSON. No, I do not.

Mr. RANKIN. That is all I have, Mr. Abt. Do you have anything?

Mr. ABT. I have nothing.

Mr. RANKIN. Mr. Abt, may we ask you to be so kind as to be sworn and

act as a witness for a brief moment?

Mr. ABT. Surely.

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