Section 4, however, is this provision: "Every person, firm or

corporation engaged in business in this State that has an employe in

his or its service shall be presumed to have accepted the provisions

of this act. Every employe, as a part of his contract of hiring,

shall be deemed to have accepted the provisions of this act unless

at the time of such hiring he contracts in writing to the contrary,

in which case the employer shall not be liable under the provisions

of this act. Every employe whose contract of hiring is in force at

the time his employer elects to provide compensation under this act,

shall be deemed to have accepted the provisions thereof unless he

files a notice in writing to the contrary with his employer within

thirty days thereafter."

I am not a lawyer myself, and I do not know what that means, but I

would like to know from somebody who is posted in constitutional

law as to whether that method of circumventing the usual provisions

of the law is strictly in accordance with the rulings under our

constitution. That is, whether a law can specify that we shall have

the right of election under the law, making the provisions of the law

specific, and then in the following section specify that unless they

shall elect to the contrary they shall be supposed to be acting under

the provisions of this law. That is the way in which Wisconsin has

gone behind the constitutional part of the law.

SENATOR SANBORN: The Legislature can always say what the fact is

presumed to be, and the presumption is that every manufacturer will

elect to accept this law. Whether they have or not is a presumption

of fact, and we do not have to prove that. In other words, as a

matter of course, we presume that every man has elected, but we do

not have to say that he has elected.

CHAIRMAN MERCER: It seems to me, gentlemen, in the course of

these proceedings, that the first thing to be done is to prevent

accidents. The second proposition is to compensate the injured for

those accidents which you do not prevent. You cannot prevent by

penal legislation; you cannot prevent by the assumption of damages

of an uncertain quantity, because those things have already been

tried and have failed. You can prevent accidents better, I think, by

placing a certain, simple and rapid liability upon the industry which

both sides shall partially bear, and which will compel both sides

to understand that there is a financial risk upon them that will

increase their cost absolutely if any accidents occur. I do not think

any large proportion of that should be placed upon the laboring man,

perhaps not over 15 or 20 per cent.

The laboring man, however, is in a better position to determine

whether or not a man is faking; he has his own channels of reaching

him. He is in a better position to see that the machinery is

protected, and to see that the rules are enforced in the factory,

and he is the man who is in a position to see that a fair settlement

is made if he has a financial interest in it, and not to say in

an off-hand way, "Oh, well, the man has been hurt, give him $50."

Besides that, when he has such a proposition as that and feels that

it is not a subject of charity, but a business proposition, and a

matter in which he has a right to help in the administration of it,

he wants to administer it quickly and rapidly. It appears that the

European countries which have adopted some such scheme as this have

found it to be the most satisfactory. No man will believe that he

will be injured in an accident. The moment a man starts in on the

proposition of whether he himself is going to be injured, he becomes

an unfit subject to ask for employment. He is not in a position to

go to the employer and say, "You must guard that wheel," or "protect

this machine." But if a situation is devised where one man can go

to the other and say: "You are the employer and you must stand

five-sixths of the cost of an accident, and we one-sixth, and you

must protect these men; here is a man over here that will not live

up to the rules, fire him. Here is a man that does not know his

business. Do not let him work in this place. We have an interest in

this matter. It is costing us money if he injures somebody, and we

want these men protected." You can see what a different situation

arises.

The employer must take the word of the laboring man for that, because

the laboring man is where he can see and know, and the employer is

not in a similar position. The result of that is to increase the

confidence in the laboring man, to increase the precautions taken

to prevent accidents, and to increase the mutual respect and good

feeling between the two men, if you place them both where they have a

mutual and certain liability.

As to what is a dangerous employment, as to whether or not you should

cover some or all, I have no doubt that there is not a man in this

country, a farmer, a mechanic, a laboring man, a doctor, a lawyer or

any other professional man, but what is perfectly willing to have

and desires to have a fair compensation law if he can know just what

it is going to cost him, and just what his insurance will cost him,

in order to avoid the present uncertainties and evils that flow

from existing conditions. The case of domestic servants has been

mentioned here. One of our judges in the federal court in our State

had a servant break her leg on his back porch last year. He took her

to the hospital and took care of her, but would not he rather have

been paying three dollars a year for insurance for all the risks that

might come to her in that industry? Would not you rather do that

yourself? And besides that, from the humane standpoint, would not

you rather that the poor girl should be placed in a position where

she certainly will receive compensation in case of an accident which

perhaps she or any one else could not have avoided, than to have her

go on and lose her wages or else you pay them to her?

Then you say you must not go to the farmer. I say to you that I

believe that the farmers in this country would welcome such a

proposition if they understood it. There is not a man, an employer or

a laboring man, who, when you place the proposition before him in any

such form as we are discussing it here, would sanction it off-hand.

But there is not a man in this country that I have ever seen who

has studied this question for any length of time, intelligently and

carefully, but what believes that the more nearly you can get every

industry into one certain, definite and simple liability the better

off you are.

Look at it as a business proposition--and it is a business

proposition--it is an insurance risk and it ought to be left in such

a way that the liability is direct. The first thing the business man

undertakes to consider on this proposition is what will it cost me;

can I afford it? Every time you put on a double liability, every time

you leave a thing uncertain, you increase the risks to him and the

cost to him in his business, and he so understands it, and that is

something which you should give consideration. I do not believe there

is a labor representative here, I do not believe there is a laborer

in this country, who entirely understands the matter, who is mature

in his judgment upon it and who has studied it and understands the

whole situation, but who would be willing that you should repeal all

of the statutory provisions now existing, repeal all of the common

law, if you give him something which he knows is not a gold brick.

If you simply say you must have this liability, it is not a question

of contract, because that still leaves an uncertainty; but if you

say, "You will be paid in accordance with a certain percentage of

your wages if you have an accident in your business," everybody will

then know just exactly where they stand on the proposition, because

it is only a question of actuarial calculation to determine what the

compensation is, and I think everybody would be willing to accept a

law drafted in that form. It will cost the business men more, but

the laborer is going to get more out of it, and it is good business

for the business men. You cannot tell me, gentlemen, that all of the

large financial institutions and corporations of this country that

have voluntarily adopted this scheme in the last three years would

have done so, if they had not come deliberately to the conclusion

that, taking into consideration the humanitarian features of the

case, and the mutual relations that exist between the employer and

employe, that this is a step which naturally and logically will be

profitably adopted in this country, and one of the most hopeful signs

in the present economic situation is that labor and capital are

dealing together on matters of that sort, and doing away with the

strife and friction that has heretofore prevailed between them.

With respect to the theory that should be followed in this

legislation, we must understand that both employer and employe must

be willing to stand some restrictions. Neither has more interest in

its remote consequences than has the State. We cannot keep up the

old system and add a new without leaving all the uncertainties and

adding the burdens of certainty. We would leave the burdens of cost,

the weight of a large part of the injustice, a considerable amount of

the delay and most of the prejudicial feelings that now prevail with

respect to the worst accidents and their final determination. There

is no doubt but that it would be the worst cases where the remedy

through the courts would be used in the present system.

Penalties as such, criminal or civil in nature, ought not to be

considered in this legislation where it does not rest upon the basis

of fault; penalties never tend to good mutual feelings as between

the parties. It is no time to stir up strife when both parties are

willing to negotiate fairly upon this question. It is no time to heap

unusual obligations when the employer and the State are willing to

make a fair compulsory system. Neither is it any time to deprive the

laborer of fair compensation; but it is the time to place a liability

on a fair basis, comparable to the risk and the situation in other

countries, and allow a simple, safe, quick remedy that is absolutely

certain.

To be certain, we must remove any idea of recovery as a penalty; we

must prohibit the bar of recovery by any fault of the employe. Cases

in which the employe would directly and voluntarily be at fault are

so few that they would cost the employer and the public much less

than the defense of the trials if we should undertake to introduce an

element of fault as a defense. The theory of workers' compensation

is to get away from fault, and it ought to be barred upon that side

as well as the other.

The bill under consideration in this program was meant to be a bill

that would accomplish the purposes when more elaborately worked out

that we all feel should be had. The title is made broader than an

ordinary legislative act, so as to allow a system of law that would

repeal all other laws on the question, and substitute this remedy for

those which exist and add it where there is none. We, therefore use

the term "code" in order to cover a system of law. See Johnson _vs._

Harrison, 47 Minn., 575; Central of Georgia Railway Company _vs._

State, 104 Ga., 31, Section 1.

We have defined dangerous employment in this act with a view of

covering every occupation which has accidents. This will give every

person the opportunity to guard against the obligations that arise

from injuries occurring in and growing out of the conduct of a

business.

It is for the Legislature first to determine whether or not this is a

proper classification, and if there be reasonable basis for declaring

the employment to be dangerous, the courts will follow the judgment

of the Legislature, even though their own judgment might not accord

with that of the Legislature. See Lochner _vs._ N. Y., 198 U. S., 45;

Holden _vs._ Hardy, 169 U. S., 365.

This definition of dangerous employment is studiously meant to be a

broad one. It is not dependent upon classification of industries on

the basis of manufacture, mining, railroading or other segregated

employment. Its purpose is to so define dangerous employment that

every employment which is, in fact, dangerous will be so defined

exactly in proportion to the dangers that actually occur. Being

a dangerous employment for each accident which it has, and not

dangerous unless it has those accidents, the definition is especially

equitable in two aspects. It induces those operating the same sort

of employment to keep their accidents down; it makes those who have

accidents liable exactly in proportion to the accidents which they

have in fact.

We have not used the term "accident" in the law because of the

uncertain meaning of that term throughout the state and federal

courts of this country. We find that this term in some instances

has been construed in the popular sense; in some instances it has

been construed to mean that which has happened without the fault or

intent of any one. We fear great litigation as to what it would mean

if the term "accident" should be used. The terms arising out of, and

in the course of, such employment have been sufficiently defined by

the English courts under their act that they will need no further

definition here than the words themselves would indicate.

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