MR. W. W. GRENVILLE TO THE MARQUIS OF BUCKINGHAM.

Whitehall, Dec. 25th, 1788.

MY DEAR BROTHER,

I am extremely anxious that you should lose no time in transmitting

over to England an exact statement of the case respecting your

commission, and of the points and arguments on which your lawyers

ground their opinions, in order that they may be well considered

here by those who are interested in your situation and character,

as deeply and as warmly as Pitt and myself. You mention in your

last, that it has occurred to you, that it would be right _if you

are_ intemperately removed to desire the opinion of our judges on

the point. But you do not seem to consider that, whenever that case

occurs, you may have to decide _on the moment_, either to quit your

Government, and to swear in the new Lord-Lieutenant, or to hold it

against him, in contradiction to the orders of English Government.

Suppose he should himself be the messenger of his own appointment,

as was the case with the Duke of Portland. The same reason exactly

exists for it now as before, namely, the fear of suffering the

dismissed Lord-Lieutenant to meet the Parliament, especially in a

moment when their conduct is so important. The best and, indeed,

almost only security that you could have in such a case for the

justification of your own conduct, whatever it might be, would be

the having given a full previous intimation to the English

Government of the difficulties and dangers of the case.

You say that I should feel myself at liberty to act for you on the

pressure of any unforeseen case. I certainly should; and my

confidence in your affection, and in your persuasion of my desire

to do the best for you, would encourage me to take, if it were

absolutely necessary, steps even of considerable delicacy and

difficulty. But I cannot but be infinitely anxious, as far as

possible, to be previously in possession of your ideas on every

case that can be foreseen. Besides this, I am at present unable to

do the precise thing which I think would be the most desirable,

because I am not myself in possession of the particular forms of

your commission's passing in England and in Ireland, so as to be

able to state them to others. And yet this is the point on which,

in one view of the case, the whole question turns. I confess that,

in my own individual opinion, there is another point distinct from

that of forms, on which I should be disposed to maintain the

incompetence of any English revocation of your commission. It is

this:

_We_ (that is Pitt and his friends) hold and have persuaded

Parliament to declare that, in such a case as the present, the

right of providing for the emergency rests in the two Houses, not

as branches of the Legislature, but as a full and free

representative of all the orders and classes of the people of Great

Britain. Now the moment that we admit this, we do it on the ground

of this being a case unprovided for. If it is so in England, it is

unquestionably equally unprovided for in Ireland; and the right of

making such provision must of necessity rest in the same manner in

the Lords and Commons of England. There is this difference, that

here the Parliament could not be legally opened, unless the Lord

Chancellor had taken upon himself to put the Great Seal to a

commission for that purpose, whereas your commission enables you

(as I understand) generally to open and hold Parliament. But even

in your case, it seems to me to be a doubt whether you can

regularly do this without having received the King's pleasure for

it, and whether your opening the Parliament in such circumstances

is not an act very much of the same nature as the Chancellor's

would have been if he had sealed such a commission.

In the same view of the subject, I should most earnestly deprecate

your taking upon yourself to issue a further prorogation. Surely,

under such circumstances as the present, the two Houses should

themselves decide, and not any individual for them, whether it is

expedient or not to proceed to any business. My clear and decided

opinion on that subject is, that you should go down on the day of

meeting, and state the circumstances of the case, saying that you

have ordered the several examinations of the physicians before

Council and before the two Houses here, to be laid before the two

Houses. Your Ministers should then, upon that, propose to adjourn

to a further day, on the ground of its not being known (as it

cannot then be known) what form will be adopted here, and of its

being, at all events, desirable that they should be in possession

of that fact before they deliberate, especially as the Government

may go on in the interval without inconvenience.

If you see no objection to this, it is, I think, high time that you

should write an official letter, stating all the circumstances of

the situation, and that your intention is, unless you should be

informed that it appears to His Majesty's servants to be improper,

&c., to meet the Parliament on the 20th, for the purpose which I

have stated.

It is excessively important that you should, at the same time,

transmit, either publicly or privately, such a case as I have

mentioned, considering the subject in the two points of view:

first, with respect to the particular forms; and secondly, to the

question, how far any difference in point of form can preclude the

Parliament of Ireland from the exercise of the same substantive

right as that which we have declared to vest in us under the

existing circumstances.

I have great doubts of the propriety of what you mention of an

address of the two Houses to empower you to give the royal assent

to any Bills, because that would prematurely, as it seems to me,

bring into discussion the great question of all--namely, how far

the Lords and Commons of Ireland have the right, either of

commanding the use of the _English Great Seal_, or of superseding

its use, in an instance in which _that_, and the concurrence of the

_English Council_, are fundamental points of the present

constitution of Ireland. I am quite sure that the safest of all

things will be the adjournment; and I think it very improbable that

such a proposal can be opposed, as it must extremely fall in with

the wishes of the party who are looking to the Government

immediately after the passing the English Bill. I have no means of

knowing or guessing at General Pitt's intentions, but should think

they can be no other than _royal_.

You could surely find no difficulty in pledging the servants of

Government in Ireland to the adjournment; because it can so clearly

be argued not to preclude any future opinion on the subject, and

still less to pledge anybody to the adoption of the English system;

but only shows the opinion of the Irish Parliament, that a

knowledge of the system adopted here, is a point which they wish

should enter into their deliberations respecting Ireland.

I am much amused with the circumstance of Lord Sh. and Lord T.

having sent their proxies, as it has answered no other purpose but

that of pledging them; for it now seems to be agreed, that no use

can be made of proxies in a case where the Parliament does not

legally meet, but is rather to be considered as an extraordinary

assembly of the same persons who constitute the two Houses of

Parliament. It is something more than a Convention, and something

less than a Parliament.

Our triumph here is very great. The indignation of the two Princes

is, by what I hear, beyond all measure or bounds. The steadiness of

the House of Commons on this occasion is no bad lesson to them, and

I believe they will long remember it.

Ever yours,

W. W. G.

In the House of Peers, Ministers did not come off so triumphantly. Lord

Bulkeley communicates the result, and enumerates the _rats_.

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