Interviewer's Comment

You can't get the whole story by reading the words in this interview.

You have to hear the tones and the accents, and see the facial

expressions and bodily movements, and sense the sometimes almost occult

influence; you have to feel the utter lack of resentment that lies

behind the words that sound vehement when read. You marvel at the quick,

smooth cover-up when something is to be withheld, at the unexpected

vigor of the mind when the bait is attractive enough to draw it out, and

at the sweetness of the disposition. Some old people merely get

mellowed and sweetened by the hardships through which they have passed.

Sometimes, you wonder if some of the old folk don't have dispositions

that they can turn off or on at will.

It is not hard to realize the reason why Amanda was treated better than

other children when you remember that she called her grandpa "Master".

Interviewer: Miss Irene Robertson

Person interviewed: "Cat" Ross

Brassfield, Ark.

Age: Born 1862

"I was born in Releford County on old Major Ross place. I was born

durin' a battle between the North and South at Murfreesboro. The house

was on the battle ground. Mama had five children. Her name was Susanna

Wade. Papa's name was Amos Ross. He belong to Major Bill Ross. Major

Ross had ten houses houses--one at the edge of the thicket, two on Stone

river, and they was scattered around over his land. Major Ross never

went to war. Papa went with Major Billy to bury his gold. It stayed

where they put it till after the war they went and dug it up. I seen

that. When they brought it to the house, it was a pot--iron pot--full of

gold. I didn't know where they had it buried nor how they fixed it.

"My folks was all field hands. They muster been blessed cause

they didn't get mixed up with the other nations. Grandfather's

mother--Grandma Venus--come from Africa. She'd been in bondage about

a hundred years. I recollect her well. My folks all lived to be old

people, over a hundred years old. They was all pretty well, all

Africans.

"I have seen the Ku Klux quarter mile long and two breasted on horses.

They scared me so bad I never had no experiences with them. They run my

uncle in. He was a big dancer. One time they made him dance. He cut the

pigeon-wing for them. That was the name of what he danced.

"I never was sold. I was give way. One of the Wades married into the

Mitchell family. Mama belong to the Wades. They give me and Mama and

Aunt Sallie--she wasn't my aunt but I called her that--to Wade's

daughter. She was the young mistress. The Wades wasn't so good to their

slaves. When freedom was declared, Papa come and got me and Mama and

took us on over to his place agin. We started sharecroppin' at Major

Ross's place. In 1881 Chick McGregor paid my way. I come to Arkansas.

I farmed all my life till 1922 to 1933 I been here in Brassfield

sawmilling. They took the mill away from here. I cain't plough, I'm not

able. I pick and hoe cotton. I work day labor. I never have got on the

Welfare."

Southfield

FOLKLORE SUBJECTS

Name of Interviewer: Pernella Anderson

Subject: Centennial Snow--Spring in St. Louis addition

Name: Mattie Ross

Occupation: Gardening

Residence: South Field, Oil Field.

Age: 74

[TR: Information moved from bottom of second page.]

Ah wuz born aftuh surrender. Ah guess ah'm about 74 years ole. Mah pa

wuz er slave an mah ma wuz too. Dey moster wuz name Green Traylor an dey

lived right down dar at _Tula_ Creek. Mah mistess wuz named Martha

Traylor an dey name me aftuh huh. Mah name is Martha Lee Traylor. Aftuh

she mahried huh name wiz Martha Tatum. We worked down dar. Oh! Mah Lawd!

How we did work--all ovah dat bottom. De puttiest fiel' ah evah did see.

De Traylor's owned hit den. Later on de Tatums bought hit fum dem and

years aftuh dat de Nash's bought hit fum de Tatums. But new all uv dat

place is growed up. Nothing but er pine thicket and er black berry

thicket. Ye caint hardly walk through de place. Later on de Cobbs owned

us. George Cobb wuz his name. He lived down in de Caledonia settlement.

Ah went behin' him er many er day wid de hoe or he'd crack mah haid.

He use tuh be de sheriff here de years uv de boom an his nephew is de

sheriff now--Grady Wosley. Later en while ah wuz a gull ah werked fuh

de Swilleys an wuz partly raised on dey plantation. De ole man wuz name

Lawson Swilley. His wife, Margaret Swilley, and I clare dem two people

treated me white. She mammied me er many er day. Ah wuz bred and born

right down dar er-round Caledonia. Ah wuz a big gull durin de time uv de

centennial snow. Dis snow wuz called dat cause hit wuz de bigges snow

dat evah been. Hit wuz ovah yo haid. We had tuh spade our way evah whah

we went. Tuh de wood gitting place, tuh de sping, tuh de hoss lot, and

evah whah. De anow wuz warm an soft. We piled up so much snow till hit

took hit er half er year tuh melt. Dat snow stayed on de groun two

months.

Ah am de muthah uv five gulls and fo' boys. Didn nairy one uv mah gulls

come in de pen till dey wuz mahried. Ah use tuh fish in er big ole fish

pond rat down whah de wesson depot is now. Years ergo people come fum

Camden an othuh places tuh fish in dat fish pond.

Mr. Sam Austin sole old man Burgy (Burgiss?) er piece uv groun' to bury

folks in and he wuz de first man tuh die an be buried dar. So dey name

hit de Burgy Cemetery.

Down dar in Memphis Addition atah the colored Prof. Dykes place dar use

tuh be one uv de bes' springs. Course at dat time hit wuz er big ole

fiel' den and de watuch wuz jes lak ice watuh.

Dat make me think. Mah pa sed he went tuh de wah tuh cook fuh his ole

moster, Green Traylor. Well pa said dar wuz er spring whar dey got

watuh. Said he went tuh git watuh outen de sping and had tuh pull dead

men outn de spring an dat day drinked of'n dem dead men all while de wah

wuz going on.

Interviewer: Miss Irene Robertson

Person Interviewed: Laura Rowland

(Bright Mulatto)

Age: 65?

Address: Brinkley, Arkansas

"My parents name was Mary Ann and Sam Billingslea. Mother's father lived

with us when I first remember. His name was Robert Todd. He was a brown

skin Negro. They said he was a West Indian. He talked of olden times but

I don't remember well enough to tell you. Father owned a home that we

was living on when I first remember. Mother was bright color, too.

Vaden, Mississippi was our trading post. Mother had twenty children. She

was a worker. She would work anywhere she was put. My folks never talked

much about slavery. I don't know how they got our place.

"I know they was bothered by the Ku Klux. One night they heard or saw

the Ku Klux coming. The log house set low on the ground but was dug out

to keep potatoes and things in--a cellar like. The planks was wide, bout

a foot wide, rough pine, not nailed down. They lifted the planks up and

all lay down and put the planks back up. The house look like outside

nothing could go under it, it was setting on the hard ground. When they

got there and opened the doors they saw nobody at home and rode off.

"Another time, one black night, a man--he must have been a

soldier--strided a block step with his horse and ordered supper. She

told him she didn't have nothing cooked and very little to cook. He

cursed and ordered the supper. Told her to get it. She pretended to be

fixing it and slipped out the back door down the furrows and squatted

in the briers in a fence corner. Long time after she had been out there

hid, he come along, jumped the fence on his horse, jumped over her back,

down into the lane and to the road he went. If the horse hadn't jumped

over her and had struck her he would have killed her. Now I think he was

a soldier, not the Ku Klux. I heard my father say he was a yard boy.

"I married in Mississippi and came to Malvern and Hot Springs. He was a

mill hand. I raised three children of my own and was a chamber maid.

I kept house and cooked for Mrs. Bera McCafity, a rich woman in Hot

Springs. My husband died and was buried at Malvern. I married again, in

Hot Springs, and lived there several years. We went to the steel mill at

Gary, Indiana. He died. I come back here and to Brinkley in 1920. One

daughter lives in Detroit and one in Chicago. The youngest one is

married, has a family and a hard time; the other makes her living. It

takes it all to do her. I get $8.00 on the P.W.A.

"They all accuse me around here of talking mighty proper. I been around

fine city folks so much I notice how they speak.

"I don't fool with voting. I don't care to vote unless it would be some

town question to settle. I would know something about it and the people.

"I don't know my age. I was grown when I married nearly sixty years ago.

We have to show our license to get on the W.P.A. or our age in the Bible

you understand."

Interviewer: Mrs. Bernice Bowden

Person interviewed: Landy Rucker

2315 W. Fourth Avenue, Pine Bluff, Arkansas

Age: 83

"I was born in 1854 in the State of Georgia, Elbert County.

"I member some about the war. I went to the field when I was twelve.

Pulled fodder, picked peas and tended to the cow pen. I had to go then.

We had _a good master_. _Our mistress wasn't good though_. She

wouldn't give us enough to eat. Old master used to ask if we had enough

to eat and he'd pull out great big hams and cut em all to pieces and

give em to us. Old mistress would cry and say, 'You're givin' away all

my good dinner.' But she repented since the war. She said she didn't do

right.

"We got here to Pine Bluff in '61.

"Oh yes, I remember comin' here on the train and on the boat.

"Old mistress whipped us when she thought we needed it. I been pretty

good all my life.

"My father was a blacksmith and one day when I was six or seven I was

takin' his dinner when some dogs smelled the dinner and smelled me too

and they got after me. I had to climb a tree and they stayed around till

they heard some other dogs barkin' and ran off. I come down then and

took my bucket and left. Nother time some hogs chased me. They rooted

all around the tree till they heard somethin' crackle in the woods and

run off and then I'd come down.

"After the war I went to school three days and the teacher whipped me. I

went home and I didn't go back. I went home and went to the field. I had

a mother and a sister and I tried to make a living for them.

"I went to school a little while after that and then went to the field.

Most I know I learned by myself.

"Yes'm, I seen the Yankees bout a year fore the war ceasted. They come

to get somethin' to eat and anything else they could get. Got the mules

and things and took my two brothers and put em in the war. One come back

after surrender and the other one died in the war. They said they was

fightin' to free the niggers from being under bondage.

"I seen the Ku Klux. Looked like their horses could fly. Made em jump a

big high fence. They come and took my father and all the other men on

the place and was goin' to put em in the Confederate army. But papa was

old and he cried and old mistress thought a lot of him so they let him

stay. I just lay down and hollered cause they was takin' my brothers,

but they didn't keep em long. One of my brothers, six years older than

me, come up here to Pine Bluff to jine the Yankees.

"We could hear the guns at Marks Mill.

"I been married twice. There was about eleven years betwixt the two

marriages.

"I worked on the farm till about '85. Then I worked in the planing mill.

I got hit by a car and it broke my hip so I have to walk on crutches

now. Then I got me a little shoe shop and I got along fine till I got so

I couldn't set down long enough to fix a pair of shoes. I bought this

house and I gets help from the Relief so I'm gettin' along all right

now."

Interviewer: Samuel S. Taylor

Person interviewed: Martha Ruffin

1310 Cross Street, Little Rock, Arkansas

Age: 80

"I was born in North Carolina, and I was seven years old when the

Surrender was. Every one of my children can tell you when they was born,

but I can't. My mother, Quinettie Farmer was her name. Brother Robert

Farmer is my cousin. He is about the same age as my husband. He got

married one week and me and my husband the next. My father's name was

Valentine Farmer. My grandmother on my mother's side was Mandy Harrison,

and my grandfather's name on my mother's side was Jordan Harrison. My

grandpa on my father's side was named Reuben Farmer, and his wife was

Nancy Farmer. I have seed my grandpa and grandma on my father's side.

But my mother didn't see them on my mother's side.

"I 'members my daddy's white folks' names, Moses Farmer. My father never

was sold. My daddy, Valentine Farmer, was a ditcher, shoemaker, and

sometimes a tanner. My mother was a house girl. She washed and ironed. I

couldn't tell exactly what my grandparents did. My grandparents, so my

parents told me, were mostly farmers. I reckon Moses Farmer owned about

three hundred slaves.

"I was born on Robert Bynum's place. He was my mother's owner. He

married one of the Harrison girls and my mother fell to that girl. My

mother done just about as she pleased. She didn't know nothin' about

workin' in the field till after the Surrender.

"The way my mother and father happened to meet--my old master hired my

daddy to do some work for him and he met my mama that way.

"The way my folks learned they was free was, a white school-teacher who

was teaching school where we stayed told my mother she was free, but

not to say nothing about it. About three weeks later, the Yankees come

through there and told them they was free and told my old boss that if

he wanted them to work he would have to hire them and pay them. The

school-teacher stayed with mother's folks--mother's white folks. The

school-teacher was teaching white folks, not niggers. She was a Yankee,

too. My mother was the house girl, and the school-teacher stayed with

her folks. The War was so hot she couldn't git no chance to go back

home.

"My daddy farmed after the War. He farmed on shares the first year. The

next year, he bought him a horse. He finally owned his own farm. He

owned it when he died. He had about one hundred acres of land.

"I have pretty fair health for an old woman like I am. I am bothered

with the rheumatism. The Lawd wouldn't let both of us git down at the

same time. (Here she refers to her husband who was sick in bed at

the time she made the statement. You have his story already. It was

difficult for her to tell her story, for he wanted it to be like

his--ed.)

"I belong to the Primitive Baptist Church. I haven't changed my

membership from my home.

"I got married in 1882, in February. How many years is that? I got so I

can't count up nothin'. Fifty-six years. Yes, that's it; that's how long

I been married. I had a little sister that got married with me. She

didn't really git married; she just stood up with me. She was just a

little baby girl. They told me I was pretty near twenty-three years old

when I married. I have a daughter that's been married twenty-five years.

We had older daughters, but that one was the first one married. I have

got a daughter over in North Little Rock that is about fifty years old.

Her husband is dead. We had ten children. My daughter is the mother of

ten children too. She got married younger than I did. This girl I am

living with is my baby. I have four children living--three girls and one

boy. A woman asked me how many children I had and I told her three. She

was a fortuneteller and she wanted to tell me my fortune. But I didn't

want her to tell me nothin'. God was gittin' ready to tell me somethin'

I didn't want to hear. I've got five great-grandchildren. We don't have

no great-great-grandchildren. Don't want none."

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