N. J. ROOSEVELT TO R. R. LIVINGSTON.

Proposes Vertical Wheels with the Size of Cylinder and presses for

Money Arrangements.

Second River, _Sept. 6th, 1798_.

Dr Sir,

I have your two letters of the 31st and 1st inst. before me. Since

writing you the 27th, I made an experiment in order to ascertain as

nearly as I could the power of the engine, and put on your wheels.

This was done by laying the vessel on shore stern foremost so as to

leave the wheels entirely out of the water. The Engine was then put to

work at the rate of from 40 to 45 strokes and wheels turned from 160

to 180 revolutions per minute. When the water first entered them it

was thrown out with great violence; but before it got any considerable

depth in them the motion of the engine was impeded and in a short time

entirely stopped. By this experiment I was fully convinced that the

wheels would require a power far greater than this engine possesses

and that any attempts to proceed with the power we have and the

present wheels would be fruitless. I was also farther convinced (by

getting men whose strength was ascertained to turn the wheels by hand

before the operation of the engine) tho’ she has her full power and

indeed considerably more than as first mentioned, I expected we would

have. Now, Sir, to proceed with the experiment you recommended of

closing the openings with doors will be doing nothing more than what

we have already done by the last trial. I would therefore recommend

that we throw two wheels of wood over the sides fastened to the axes

of the flys with 8 arms or paddles, that part which enters the water

of sheet iron to shift according to the power they require either

deeper in the water or otherwise and that we navigate the vessel with

those until we can procure an Engine of proper size which I think

ought not to be less than 24 inches cylinder. The Barometer to

ascertain the exact power of the engine has not as you observe been

left to depend entirely on Mr. Van Ness, although I looked upon him as

your Representative according to the tenor of your own letter; but Mr.

Mark and Mr. Speyer have both been on the search for one and have not

yet succeeded. The copper pipe for it is made and we will I believe be

obliged to wait for the glass until we can get it from the glass house

above Albany. I have requested Mr. Speyer, who has gone up to the

Oneida country, to call on Mr. Dezang for that purpose. If you know of

any to be had in New York please to inform me and I will immediately

get it.

As to your charge of my want of candor and my possessing too much

distrust, those Sir are charges which have never before been laid to

me and which I feel perfectly free from and I will recommend to the

Chancellor to meet me in future upon equally candid and fair ground. I

can assure him he shall never have reason to complain of me on that

score again.[2] We have as you observe put our hands to the oars and

ought not to look back until we reach port. This I am for, Sir, with

all my heart, and firmly believe that with this determination we have

nothing to fear, as I think, _with the wheels I have recommended_,

that the State patent may be secured. We will then have time to

prepare for your wheels, and if they should not have the effect you

promise us, we can then adopt such other plans as we may together

think best. No bad consequences need be apprehended from what I

communicated out of your letter to Smallman and Stoudinger as they are

as anxious for the success of the business and your good opinion as I

am. As to altering any of the wheels in the way you propose I cannot

approve, as the alteration will be attended with considerable expense,

and as I believe any alteration we can make with our present small

Engine will be inadequate to driving the wheels to any advantage. In

this the Chancellor will agree with me when he considers that when the

Engine making 30 strokes per minute the horizontal wheels make 120

revolutions by which 3/4 is taken from the power to afford this.

I sincerely hope that Mrs. Livingston may soon recover from her

accident so that you may not be detained long from thoroughly

investigating everything appertaining to our present concern.

I am, dear Sir, &c., &c.

N. J. ROOSEVELT.

N. B. I have not, upon overlooking what I have above written, been so

particular in my objections to your proposed alterations as may be

agreeable and will ask for a little of your patience. See how the

alteration of the wheels on the connecting rod by being smaller will

operate. They will most certainly shorten the stroke of the engine.

This therefore cannot take place unless we alter the wheels round

which they move accordingly, which may be done. At the same time in

doing it we shall be obliged to lengthen the spindle of the horizontal

wheels and disturb the wooden work the whole of which will be attended

with considerable expense and require a second alteration when we come

to operate with power equal to what those wheels will require, and

indeed, why should we go to any expense in alterations which can do us

no service; as I clearly saw from actual experiment that about 1400

pounds will be necessary to be applied directly to the wheels

independent of friction, which is equal to an engine of 24 inches

Cylinder. An Engine of this size I find has 5424 pounds power

independent of the friction of the machine and I think power enough

for the air pumps (perhaps something more.) This I cannot however

ascertain until I get a barometer and try our present engine, which I

believe perfect. I was about trying the power by weights but found

difficulties which I have not yet been able to get over, as her power

is equal both ways, and to bring the weight only to the connecting rod

would tear everything to pieces.

Yours, &c.

N. J. ROOSEVELT.

A plan of my substitute which may not be quite correct, as I do not

understand anything of drawing.

N. J. R.[3]

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