Mr. SORRELS. Well----

Mr. STERN. Could that have been his first name?

Mr. SORRELS. Yes, that could have been his first name.

Mr. STERN. Can you recall his second name?

Mr. SORRELS. I would know it if I heard it.

Mr. STERN. Could it have been Roland?

Mr. SORRELS. Yes, Roland is right.

Mr. STERN. What did they tell you?

Mr. SORRELS. He said that they were standing there waiting for the

President to come by, and they were talking about security. And he said

that right after that, that he looked up at this building over there,

which is the Book Depository, and that there were a couple of windows

open towards the west side, and that he saw a man standing in there

with what appeared to be a rifle with a telescopic sight.

Mr. STERN. Towards the west side?

Mr. SORRELS. Yes--two windows towards the west side.

And that he remarked to his wife, "I guess that is a Secret Service

man."

And I asked her if she saw it, and she said, no, that she had left her

glasses home, and she is nearsighted, and she could not see him. And,

of course, I asked him the description of the man. I asked him "How

could you determine--what made you think it had a telescopic sight on

it?"

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