Mr. HOLMES. Saturday morning----

Mr. BELIN. This would be November 23?

Mr. HOLMES. Twenty-third. I came into the lobby of the terminal annex,

and the postal inspector that was on duty mentioned that the FBI agent

had called to inquire as to how they could obtain an original post

office money order.

He said he had told them that they would have to get it in Washington,

but would have to know the number of the post office money order.

So he was worrying then as to how he could get that number.

So I knew about the post office money order. They said that

Oswald--they said that also this FBI agent had passed on the

information that, I don't know whether he told him or I called the FBI

after--I went on up to my office, but somewhere I got the information

that the FBI had knowledge that a gun of this particular Italian make

and caliber had been purchased from Klein's Sporting Goods in Chicago,

that it had been purchased, and the FBI furnished me the information

that a money order of some description in the amount of $21.95 had

been used as reimbursement for the gun that had been purchased from

Klein's in Chicago, and that the purchase date was March 20, 1963. I

immediately had some men begin to search the Dallas money order records

with the thought that they might have used a U.S. postal money order to

buy this gun.

I didn't have any luck, so along about 11 o'clock in the morning,

Saturday, I had my boys call the postal inspector. Oh, wait a minute,

let's back up.

I had my secretary go out and purchase about half a dozen books on

outdoor-type magazines such as Field and Stream, with the thought that

I might locate this gun to identify it, and I did.

Mr. BELIN. You have what magazine?

Mr. HOLMES. Field and Stream of November 1963.

Mr. BELIN. You found a Field and Stream magazine of just November 1963?

Mr. HOLMES. It was the current magazine on the rack.

Mr. BELIN. You got it to look for a gun and identified it in this

magazine? Is this the page? I will call it Holmes Deposition Exhibit 2.

Mr. HOLMES. Here, page 98.

Mr. BELIN. Well, it is on the back of a page numbered 98, is that right?

Mr. HOLMES. That's right.

Mr. BELIN. Or the front side. I am marking on the top of it, "Holmes

Deposition Exhibit 2."

Was that the page you tore out?

Mr. HOLMES. Yes, sir.

Mr. BELIN. I notice there is a magazine or there is a number of guns

identified on that page.

Mr. HOLMES. Yes, sir.

Mr. BELIN. I see one circled in red, is that correct?

Mr. HOLMES. That's correct.

Mr. BELIN. Who circled that in red?

Mr. HOLMES. I did.

Mr. BELIN. Then I see that it is a picture with a gun with a scope

on it and it says, "6.5 Italian carbine," in big black letters. And

underneath it says, "Late military issue. Only 40 inches overall.

Weighs 7 lbs. Shows only slight use, test-fired and head spaced, ready

for shooting. Turned-down bolt 6-shot, clip fed, rear sight." And it is

marked "$12.78."

Mr. HOLMES. With scope, it is $19.95.

Mr. BELIN. There is a number. That $12.78 says "C20-1196." And

underneath that it says, "C20-750, carbine with brand new 4x-3/4"

diameter (illustrated) $19.95." Is that right?

Mr. HOLMES. That's correct.

Mr. BELIN. Then on the lower right-hand corner of the page there is

a kind of place for clipping out of coupons. It is marked "Klein's

Sporting Goods at 227 West Washington Street, Chicago 6, Illinois,"

then there is a place for a box to be checked. It says, "cash

customers, send check or money order in full. Unless otherwise

specified, send $1.00 postage and handling on any size order ... $1.50

on shotgun and rifles."

Then there is a place at the bottom of the page. It is a place for

putting the name and address and the city and State, is that correct?

Mr. HOLMES. That's correct.

Mr. BELIN. Now I notice on a piece of scrap paper you have taken the

$19.95 which would be the exact amount for the rifle with the scope,

and then added the $1.50 for the charge that the coupon says for

postage and handling and you come up with a total of $21.45.

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