Mr. BELIN. When you use the phrase "makeshift conditions"----

Mr. BARNES. Just like putting up a portable camping ground to cook on.

We have our benches to work on up at the crime scene search section

which makes it handier to work with.

Mr. BELIN. Would the quality of the test be the same?

Mr. BARNES. Yes; I think so. The quality would be the same, just takes

a little more time and inconvenience.

Mr. BELIN. When you got down there, what did you do and see? First of

all, who was in the room?

Mr. BARNES. Detective Dhority and Detective Leavelle.

Mr. BELIN. Is that L-e-a-v-e-l-l-e?

Mr. BARNES. Right. And Lee Harvey Oswald.

Mr. BELIN. Did you have any discussion, or did you hear Lee Harvey

Oswald say anything or anyone say anything to Lee Harvey Oswald while

you were there?

Mr. BARNES. No conversation.

Mr. BELIN. What did you do?

Mr. BARNES. We got our equipment and got the paraffin melted, and

while it was being prepared, we told him that we would have to make a

paraffin cast of his hand.

Mr. BELIN. What did he say to that?

Mr. BARNES. It was okay with him.

Mr. BELIN. Did he say anything as to any other comments he had about

the paraffin test?

Mr. BARNES. None other than he stated to me, "What are you trying to

do, prove that I fired a gun?"

And I said, "I am not trying to prove that you fired a gun. We have

the test to make, and the chemical people at the laboratory, at the

city-county laboratory will determine the rest of it."

Mr. BELIN. What is the purpose of a paraffin test?

Mr. BARNES. The purpose is to find out if there is any nitrates on your

hands.

Mr. BELIN. Officer, how many years have you personally made paraffin

tests?

Mr. BARNES. Since 1956.

Mr. BELIN. What is the procedure by which you determine whether or not

there are any nitrates on one's hand?

Mr. BARNES. The analyses are made at Parkland Hospital by their

personnel.

Mr. BELIN. Do they analyze the wax?

Mr. BARNES. They analyze the wax that I remove from his hands after the

casts are made.

Mr. BELIN. Well, if you were to take a paraffin or make a paraffin test

on one of my hands, you would take melted hot wax and put it over my

hands?

Mr. BARNES. It wouldn't be hot wax. It would have to be at a degree

where it would be melted. Take a paint brush, small paint brush, dip it

into the paraffin, and paint your hand as you would be painting a wall,

and you build this paraffin up around and around your hand, front and

back, until you get a layer approximately a quarter of an inch thick.

Then you wrap the hands in gauze, just a layer of gauze around it for

reenforcement purposes such as you would put steel and concrete to

reenforce it, and then on top of this gauze we put another layer of

paraffin. In fact, several layers of paraffin on top of the gauze to

round it out to make it more firm so that when we remove this paraffin

from around his hands, we take a pair of surgical scissors and cut down

each side, and it slips off just like you were removing a glove.

Mr. BELIN. You would make two cuts then, one along the side of the

little finger and one along the side of the thumb?

Mr. BARNES. Well, really it is a =V=-cut on the thumb and forefinger,

and a straight parallel line down the left- or right-little finger.

Mr. BELIN. On the side of the palm of the hand?

Mr. BARNES. Right.

Mr. BELIN. Have you done any reading as to what this test shows and

what its limitations are at all?

Mr. BARNES. Well, yes; the purpose of it is when you put the heated

paraffin on the hand, for the nitrates which might be on the hand, to

be stuck to the paraffin that you place on there.

This paraffin that you place on the hand--I will rephrase this a little

bit.

When you put the paraffin on your hand, the nitrates that might be on

your hands will stick to the paraffin as it cools, and when you remove

the paraffin, then this nitrate or powder residue which might be on the

hands will be hardened into the paraffin and will slip off with the

paraffin.

Mr. BELIN. Now when you say nitrates, I believe you used the word

"residue"?

Mr. BARNES. Powder residue and nitrates.

Mr. BELIN. Is nitrate a compound which is in gunpowder residue?

Mr. BARNES. That is what they call the dermal nitrate test, I believe

is the correct name that they give it.

Mr. BELIN. Does gunpowder generally have included in it some sort of

nitrate compound?

Mr. BARNES. Yes.

Mr. BELIN. If I were firing a pistol, would this pistol leave a nitrate

on my hands that would be detectable by the paraffin test?

Mr. BARNES. It should, unless it is awful tight.

Mr. BELIN. What do you mean by "awful tight"?

Mr. BARNES. You could have an automatic which very easily could keep

you from having nitrate on your hands.

Mr. BELIN. Well, let's assume that we were taking a .38 caliber pistol.

You have seen the pistol which Lee Harvey Oswald had in his possession

at the time he was apprehended.

Let's assume I were firing that pistol. Would it leave some residue on

my hand?

Mr. BARNES. It should.

Mr. BELIN. Suppose I were to wash my hands between the time I fired it

and the time you took the paraffin test?

Mr. BARNES. It would hurt the test.

Mr. BELIN. It would cut down the test?

Mr. BARNES. Yes.

Mr. BELIN. Now if I were firing it, would it necessarily show on both

hands? Suppose I were right-handed?

Mr. BARNES. Depends on the location of your left hand.

Mr. BELIN. Well, generally from your experience, is there any

particular location for a right-handed person to keep his hand when he

is firing a pistol?

Mr. BARNES. Police officers are taught to keep their left hand near the

pistol handle.

Mr. BELIN. As an element of controlling it?

Mr. BARNES. As an element of controlling, and also an element which, if

you should get wounded in your right shoulder, you would have the left

hand to take the gun.

Mr. BELIN. If you keep it near then, I assume that you would get the

nitrate on the other hand, too, or not?

Mr. BARNES. Very likely that you would.

Mr. BELIN. Suppose I were unloading a pistol and taking the cartridge

case out and putting them in my left hand or handling the chamber where

the cartridge cases had been, would this leave nitrate deposits on my

hand?

Mr. BARNES. It is possible.

Mr. BELIN. Suppose you were to examine my hands and you were to find

no nitrate deposits at all. Would you say that this conclusively shows

that I did not fire a pistol?

Mr. BARNES. No.

Mr. BELIN. Well, does it conclusively show I had not fired a pistol

within the last 6 or 8 or 10 hours?

Mr. BARNES. No.

Mr. BELIN. Why do you say that?

Mr. BARNES. Well, a lot would depend what kind of pistol.

Mr. BELIN. Well, suppose it were a .38 caliber pistol?

Mr. BARNES. Then it would depend on whether you had cleaned your hands

or whether you had had gloves on.

Mr. BELIN. Well, suppose I were to tell you I didn't have gloves on.

Mr. BARNES. Had you washed your hands?

Mr. BELIN. Well, would this make much of a difference?

Mr. BARNES. Washing your hands would make a difference.

Mr. BELIN. All right, now, suppose you were to examine me for firing

a rifle such as a bolt-action rifle rather than an automatic or

semiautomatic. Would you expect to find nitrate residue on my hands

that a paraffin test would show?

Mr. BARNES. Chances are smaller on a rifle than it would be with a

revolver.

Mr. BELIN. Why?

Mr. BARNES. Because your chamber is enclosed.

Mr. BELIN. What difference does that make?

Mr. BARNES. The powder couldn't get out like a pistol where the

cylinder is open, and there is no casing around the cylinder of a

revolver, and the chamber of a rifle, it is enclosed with the metal all

the way around.

Mr. BELIN. Well, I operate the bolt on the rifle, does that make a

difference about letting the gas or residue escape?

Mr. BARNES. No; all your explosives have already gone down the barrel.

It is not coming down the side when you operate the chamber. There is

no pressure there.

Mr. BELIN. What you are saying then is, that it is the pressure at the

time of firing in an open chamber that creates the major portion of

this residue?

Mr. BARNES. That's right.

Mr. BELIN. If you were to have a positive nitrate test on a person's

hands, and by positive, I mean it would show the presence of nitrate,

would you say, without knowing anything about the firearm that the

person fired, that it was more likely that he had fired a .38 caliber

revolver, or a bolt-action rifle?

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