Mr. BELIN. You put on this print a relatively horizontal line on the
right front car door immediately below the bottom part of the window,
and also what I will call the right part of the top of the right-front
fender near where the headlight is.
Mr. BARNES. That is true.
Mr. BELIN. Was this police car dirty or clean?
Mr. BARNES. Dirty.
Mr. BELIN. What is the fact as to whether or not this in any way
affects your ability to lift fingerprints?
Mr. BARNES. Any dirty surface will create a hardship as far as lifting
a latent print.
Mr. BELIN. Were you able to find any identifiable prints?
Mr. BARNES. No legible prints were found.
Mr. BELIN. When you came to the scene, Officer Tippit had already been
removed?
Mr. BARNES. That is true.
Mr. BELIN. Anything else on Barnes Deposition Exhibit B that you think
is relevant?
Mr. BARNES. None that I can recall at this time.
Mr. BELIN. Turning to Barnes Deposition Exhibit C, could you state what
this is, please?
Mr. BARNES. That is a picture of squad car No. 10, which was driven by
Tippit, a more distant shot showing where Tippit fell, and the scene
where the squad car was.
Mr. BELIN. Had the Tippit car been moved at any time during the taking
of any of these pictures by you?
Mr. BARNES. None that I can recall.
Mr. BELIN. Anything particularly relevant about Barnes Deposition
Exhibit C that you want to further discuss at this time?
Mr. BARNES. I believe not.
Mr. BELIN. Handing you Barnes Deposition Exhibit D, will you state what
this is?
Mr. BARNES. That is a side view of the Tippit car.
Mr. BELIN. That is looking toward the driver's side, is that correct?
Mr. BARNES. That's right.
Mr. BELIN. You see the houses in the background which would be roughly
to the south, is that right?
Mr. BARNES. That's correct.
Mr. BELIN. This is a picture of the car as you found it?
Mr. BARNES. That's right.
Mr. BELIN. Now, do you remember whether or not the window on the
driver's side was up or down?
Mr. BARNES. I believe it was down.
Mr. BELIN. Was any jacket of any kind hanging in the back of the car?
Mr. BARNES. Yes; Tippit's Eisenhower jacket, that's what we call them,
was hanging on a hanger in the back of the car.
Mr. BELIN. Handing you Barnes Deposition Exhibit E, would you state
what this is?
Mr. BARNES. This is a shot from the south looking northward at the
front of the Tippit car, and showing the blood shot on the pavement
where Tippit fell.
Mr. BELIN. This has a caption on it, "Spot where Patrolman Tippit
fell." Does the arrow point to the spot to which you refer?
Mr. BARNES. It does.
Mr. BELIN. Anything else particularly relevant about Barnes Deposition
Exhibit E that you want to discuss now?
Mr. BARNES. No. I made that one [pointing].
Mr. BELIN. You are now referring to Barnes Deposition Exhibit F, is
that correct?
Mr. BARNES. That is true.
Mr. BELIN. What is that a picture of?
Mr. BARNES. That shows the rear of the Tippit car, left rear, and also
a view looking to the east, which covers the spot where Tippit fell.
Mr. BELIN. At this time we introduce in evidence Barnes Deposition
Exhibits A, B, C, D, E, and F, and I will just have these copies with
the original copy of the deposition for madam reporter. We won't ask
you to make copies of these.
Now you mentioned out there that some cartridge cases were found, is
that correct?
Mr. BARNES. That is true.
Mr. BELIN. Sergeant, I will ask you to examine Commission Exhibits Nos.
Q-74, Q-75, Q-76, and Q-77, and ask you to state whether or not there
appears to be any identification marks on any of these exhibits that
appear to show that they were examined or identified by you?
Mr. BARNES. I placed "B", the best that I could, inside of the hull of
Exhibit 74--I believe it was Q-74 and Q-75, as you have them identified.
Mr. BELIN. Now all four of these exhibits appear to be cartridge case
hulls, is that correct?
Mr. BARNES. .38 caliber.
Mr. BELIN. .38 caliber pistol?
Mr. BARNES. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. They are kind of silver or chrome or grey in color? You can
identify it that way?
Mr. BARNES. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. How many of these hulls, to the best of your recollection,
did you identify out there?
Mr. BARNES. I believe that the patrolman gave me two, and Captain
Doughty received the third.
Mr. BELIN. The two that the patrolman gave you were the ones that you
put this identification mark on the inside of?
Mr. BARNES. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. What instrument did you use to place this mark?
Mr. BARNES. I used a diamond point pen.
Mr. BELIN. You put it on Q-74 and Q-75?
Mr. BARNES. It looks like there are others that put their markings in
there too.
Mr. BELIN. Did you have anything to do with identifying either the
slugs that were eventually removed from Officer Tippit's body, or the
pistol?
Mr. BARNES. No.
Mr. BELIN. You never put any identifying marks on those. Is there
anything else that you did out at the crime scene?
Mr. BARNES. We made a crime sketch of the scene.
Mr. BELIN. You made a crime sketch of the scene?
Mr. BARNES. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. Anything else?
Mr. BARNES. No; not that I can recall at this time.
Mr. BELIN. What did you do with those cartridge case hulls, Q-74 and
Q-75?
Mr. BARNES. We placed them in our evidence room, and turned them over
to the FBI. I believe Special Agent Drain of the FBI was the agent that
took them.
Mr. BELIN. Anything else that you can think of that might be relevant
with regard to your work at the Tippit scene?
Mr. BARNES. None. Not at this time.
Mr. BELIN. Well, when did leave there?
Mr. BARNES. I don't know the exact hour that I left there, that I got
through.
Mr. BELIN. Where did you go?
Mr. BARNES. I went on a major accident at Veterans Drive and Ledbetter.
Mr. BELIN. Where did you go after that?
Mr. BARNES. Back to the city hall.
Mr. BELIN. Did you make any other pictures that day?
Mr. BARNES. I don't believe I did.
Mr. BELIN. Did you make any pictures with regard to the investigation
of the President's assassination or the murder of Officer Tippit at any
other time on either Saturday the 23d or Sunday the 24th up to the time
of the shooting of Oswald by Jack Ruby?
Mr. BARNES. No.
Mr. BELIN. Did you make any pictures of the Texas Theatre?
Mr. BARNES. I did.
Mr. BELIN. When did you do those?
Mr. BARNES. I did that the afternoon of November 22, as soon as I
finished with the Tippit car pictures.
Mr. BELIN. Would you include that as part of the Tippit investigation?
Mr. BARNES. Yes; that was in the same part.
Mr. BELIN. Let me backtrack a minute. You may have misunderstood my
question. When you finished up at East 10th and Patton Streets, you
took pictures, you got shells, you said you tried to get fingerprints.
Did you try to do anything else at East 10th and Patton?
Mr. BARNES. No.
Mr. BELIN. Then where did you go from East 10th and Patton?
Mr. BARNES. The Texas Theatre.
Mr. BELIN. Before you got to the Texas Theatre, did you stop at the
spot where you say this jacket was found?
Mr. BARNES. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. Did you take a picture there?
Mr. BARNES. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. All right, did you take any other pictures between East 10th
and Patton and the Texas Theatre?
Mr. BARNES. I took two photos of the place where the jacket was found.
Mr. BELIN. But other than that, you then went to the Texas Theatre?
Mr. BARNES. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. At the time you got to the Texas Theatre, had Oswald or the
person that was apprehended there already been taken away from the
theatre?
Mr. BARNES. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. What did you do when you got to the theatre?
Mr. BARNES. I photographed the interior of the theatre.
Mr. BELIN. Any particular position of it that you remember?
Mr. BARNES. The lobby and the place where the arrest was made.
Mr. BELIN. It was after that that you then went to investigate that
major automobile accident?
Mr. BARNES. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. Now after you investigated or took pictures at this major
automobile accident, then what did you do?
Mr. BARNES. I returned to the city hall.
Mr. BELIN. What did you do when you returned to the city hall?
Mr. BARNES. We started working out the evidence and developing
negatives of all the photos that were taken at the Kennedy
assassination site and also at the Tippit site.
Mr. BELIN. Who were you working with at that time?
Mr. BARNES. We had just about all the manpower of the crime scene
search section working.
Lt. J. C. Day, myself, Detective R. L. Studebaker, Detective J. B.
Hicks, and Detective R. W. Livingston.
Mr. BELIN. Did you know about what time of the day you were doing this?
Mr. BARNES. We started on it, I would say, roughly after I returned to
the city hall. It was getting close to 4 o'clock.
Mr. BELIN. Where was this work done?
Mr. BARNES. In the crime scene search section of the identification
bureau.
Mr. BELIN. On what floor is that?
Mr. BARNES. It is on the fourth floor of the city hall.
Mr. BELIN. On the fourth floor, were there any people other than police
personnel?
Mr. BARNES. Not where we were; no.
Mr. BELIN. When you got there, did you see what the situation was on
the third floor?
Mr. BARNES. Yes; we could.
Mr. BELIN. What was the situation on the third floor?
Mr. BARNES. Turmoil of news media, photographers.
Mr. BELIN. What do you mean by turmoil?
Mr. BARNES. Well, they just all of them trying to get up in there where
they could get a shot.
Mr. BELIN. By a shot, you mean a picture?
Mr. BARNES. Yes; a photo. Any photos they might get for the newspapers.
In case they should get a view, they wanted to be there at the time. I
presume that is what they were there for.
Mr. BELIN. Was Oswald on the third floor at the time?
Mr. BARNES. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. Did they have wires coming through the windows for
television cameras, or not?
Mr. BARNES. There was wires running all over the city hall; cables.
Mr. BELIN. Cables?
Mr. BARNES. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. What about stands for lights, were they there, too?
Mr. BARNES. That's right, they come up with lights and also TV cameras
to cover.
Mr. BELIN. When you say city hall, really the third floor that we are
talking about is exclusively used by the police department, is that
correct?
Mr. BARNES. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. All right, do you have any estimate of the number of
newspaper people there were on the third floor at that time?
Mr. BARNES. It would be a guess. I wouldn't want to venture to guess,
because it would be just strictly guesswork.
Mr. BELIN. More than 20?
Mr. BARNES. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. More than 50?
Mr. BARNES. I am not saying. I don't know.
Mr. BELIN. All right, in any event, you were working on the fourth
floor?
Mr. BARNES. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. Then where did you go?
Mr. BARNES. Later we went to the third floor, to the office of Captain
Fritz.
Mr. BELIN. What did you go to Captain Fritz' office for?
Mr. BARNES. To make a paraffin test of Lee Harvey Oswald's hand.
Mr. BELIN. About when would this have been, approximately, if you know?
Mr. BARNES. I tell you, the time didn't mean anything there, and it was
after I returned to the city hall, and after 6 o'clock.
Mr. BELIN. Sometime after 6 o'clock?
Mr. BARNES. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. Did Captain Fritz call you up and tell you to come down and
make the paraffin test?
Mr. BARNES. He didn't talk to me. I was advised to go to that office to
help make the paraffin test.
Mr. BELIN. By your supervisor?
Mr. BARNES. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. Who would that have been?
Mr. BARNES. Lt. J. C. Day.
Mr. BELIN. Now is this the usual procedure when you are going to make a
paraffin test, to go to an office such as Captain Fritz' office to do
it?
Mr. BARNES. No.
Mr. BELIN. What would the usual procedure be?
Mr. BARNES. If he is alive, they usually bring them to our bureau.
Mr. BELIN. That would be to bring them up to the fourth floor?
Mr. BARNES. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. This would have necessitated, I would assume, moving the
prisoner from Captain Fritz' office through the hallway up to the
fourth floor?
Mr. BARNES. It would.
Mr. BELIN. Were there any people in the hallways at this time, or did
anyone tell you why?