Mr. BARNES. 3 p.m.
Mr. BELIN. Did you leave at 3 p.m., on that day?
Mr. BARNES. No; I did not.
Mr. BELIN. When you first learned of the assassination or the shooting
of the President, where were you and what were you doing?
Mr. BARNES. I was in Dr. Bledsoe's office just finishing a dental
appointment.
Mr. BELIN. Then what did you do?
Mr. BARNES. I immediately drove to the city hall.
Mr. BELIN. At about what time did you get there?
Mr. BARNES. Shortly after the President was assassinated.
Mr. BELIN. You had your appointment over the noon hour?
Mr. BARNES. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. What did you do after you got to the Dallas Police Station?
Mr. BARNES. I asked the captain did he want me to go to the scene or to
stand by until we freed the two men that were at the scene?
Mr. BELIN. You had two men?
Mr. BARNES. At the scene.
Mr. BELIN. When you say the scene, what do you mean?
Mr. BARNES. The scene of the assassination.
Mr. BELIN. Were they in a building there?
Mr. BARNES. The Texas School Book Depository Building.
Mr. BELIN. The Texas School Book Depository Building?
Mr. BARNES. That's right.
Mr. BELIN. Do you know who those men were?
Mr. BARNES. Detective R. L. Studebaker and Lt. J. C. Day.
Mr. BELIN. When you say two men, you mean from the crime laboratory?
Mr. BARNES. Two men from our crime scene search section.
Mr. BELIN. What were you advised to do?
Mr. BARNES. I was told to standby until further notice.
Mr. BELIN. What was the next thing that occurred?
Mr. BARNES. Officer Tippit was shot at 10th and Patton in Oak Cliff.
Mr. BELIN. What did you do then?
Mr. BARNES. I immediately went to the scene of the shooting.
Mr. BELIN. What did you do when you got to the scene?
Mr. BARNES. The first thing that I did was to check the right side of
Tippit's car for fingerprints.
Mr. BELIN. Did you find any fingerprints on the right side of the car?
Mr. BARNES. There was several smear prints. None of value.
Mr. BELIN. Where were these smear prints located?
Mr. BARNES. Just below the top part of the door, and also on the right
front fender.
Mr. BELIN. Why did you happen to check that particular portion of the
vehicle for fingerprints?
Mr. BARNES. I was told that the suspect which shot Tippit had come up
to the right side of the car, and there was a possibility that he might
have placed his hands on there.
Mr. BELIN. Did you do anything else at all out there?
Mr. BARNES. I photographed the scene.
Mr. BELIN. Have you had much experience in photography?
Mr. BARNES. I have been in the crime scene search section doing this
work since August 1, 1956.
Mr. BELIN. When you photographed the scene, did you use flashbulb
equipment or not?
Mr. BARNES. No; I did not.
Mr. BELIN. I assume that because many crime scenes are inside, that you
are also familiar with the operation of flash equipment?
Mr. BARNES. We use flash equipment on the inside and outside when I
think it is necessary.
Mr. BELIN. What kind of camera do you use?
Mr. BARNES. Speedgraphic.
Mr. BELIN. Is that the kind of camera that newspaper cameramen often
use?
Mr. BARNES. A lot of them do.
Mr. BELIN. Anything else that you did out at the crime scene?
Mr. BARNES. I photographed the scene; yes. There was a couple of hulls
that was turned over to me.
Mr. BELIN. Do you mean empty shell casings?
Mr. BARNES. Empty .38 caliber hulls was turned over to me at the scene
by patrolman--I believe I would be safe in saying Poe, but I am not
sure about that.
Mr. BELIN. How do you spell that?
Mr. BARNES. P-o-e, I believe is the way he spells it.
Mr. BELIN. You think he was the one that turned over some shells?
Mr. BARNES. I believe it is. I am not too sure right now, but I believe
that is what is on the report. I would have to check it to be sure.
Mr. BELIN. Would these be on your report?
Mr. BARNES. It would be on our report, at the crime scene search
section.
Mr. BELIN. Is there anything else that was turned over to you at the
scene besides these hulls that you think Patrolman Poe turned over?
Mr. BARNES. Not that I can remember at this time.
Mr. BELIN. While you were out there, were any additional hulls found
other than these two?
Mr. BARNES. Yes. Captain Doughty picked up another hull, .38 caliber.
Mr. BELIN. Did you see Captain Doughty pick it up?
Mr. BARNES. I did not.
Mr. BELIN. Were you advised as to anyone who might have pointed it out
to Captain Doughty, or did he get it himself, or what?
Mr. BARNES. I heard that someone pointed it out to him and he picked it
up.
Mr. BELIN. You mean some citizen?
Mr. BARNES. Some citizen pointed it out to him, and he picked it up?
Mr. BELIN. Do you remember where he might have located it? What
approximate location?
Mr. BARNES. I was a busy man and I didn't watch his operation.
Mr. BELIN. Anything else out there?
Mr. BARNES. Not that I can recall at this time.
Mr. BELIN. Now you took pictures of the Tippit vehicle?
Mr. BARNES. The what?
Mr. BELIN. Of the Tippit police car. You took pictures of that out
there?
Mr. BARNES. Yes; I did.
Mr. BELIN. Did you take any pictures of anything on the street in the
immediate vicinity of the car?
Mr. BARNES. Yes; I did.
Mr. BELIN. What was that?
Mr. BARNES. I took a picture of a stop sign that was located down at
the intersection of Patton and 10th. We had a report that we thought
maybe that might have had some significance on the case.
I also took shots at the rear of the car on the parking lot where a
jacket was discarded by the suspect.
Mr. BELIN. Where would that be?
Mr. BARNES. In the alley between Patton and the next street over.
Mr. BELIN. The next street to the west?
Mr. BARNES. Between Patton and the alley that ran between the two. I
would have to check on the map. Cumberland--you got a street map?
Mr. BELIN. I have a map here which, if you will excuse me for a moment,
I will try and get.
Mr. BARNES. I sure will. Crawford.
Mr. BELIN. We now have a map of Dallas, and you say that the jacket was
found in the alley between Patton and Crawford? Where with relation to
10th or Jefferson?
Mr. BARNES. It would be between Jefferson and 10th in the alley that
separates those two streets, and running from Patton and Crawford.
Mr. BELIN. You say running from Patton and Crawford. You mean parallel?
Mr. BARNES. It runs parallel to Jefferson.
Mr. BELIN. Parallel to Jefferson?
Mr. BARNES. Between Patton and Crawford.
Mr. BELIN. Between Patton and Crawford. Was there a Texaco station
around there at all?
Mr. BARNES. There is a service station right south of it. The kind of
station that it is, I don't recall the kind of station it was, but
there is a service station, and sort of a parking lot where this jacket
was discarded. We got photos of this car where the jacket was found
just behind it.
Mr. BELIN. Now you took some pictures out there, you say, is that
correct?
Mr. BARNES. I did.
(Discussion off the record for selection of pictures.)
Mr. BELIN. Sergeant Barnes, I am going to hand you some pictures which
we will mark as "Barnes Deposition Exhibits A, B, C, D, and E" on the
deposition of Barnes, and I am going to ask you to state whether or not
the original negatives from which these prints were made were taken by
you?
Mr. BARNES. They were.
Mr. BELIN. Now the first one, Barnes Deposition Exhibit A, is a picture
of the Dallas Police squadcar No. 10. Was that the Tippit automobile?
Mr. BARNES. It was.
Mr. BELIN. About when did you say you got out to the Tippit scene?
Mr. BARNES. Approximately 1:40.
Mr. BELIN. 1:40 in the afternoon?
Mr. BARNES. Approximately, November 22.
Mr. BELIN. When would you have started taking these pictures?
Mr. BARNES. Shortly afterwards.
Mr. BELIN. Within 5 or 10 minutes?
Mr. BARNES. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. Now I notice on the right-front door window it appears that
the vent window was open and that the main window is closed. Is that
the way that you found the car when you got there?
Mr. BARNES. That is true.
Mr. BELIN. Inside the window there appears to be some kind of paper or
document. Do you remember what that is at all, or not?
Mr. BARNES. That is a board, a clipboard that is installed on the dash
of all squad cars for the officers to take notes on and to keep their
wanted persons names on.
Mr. BELIN. Were there any notes on there that you saw that had been
made on this clipboard?
Mr. BARNES. Yes; we never read his clipboard.
Mr. BELIN. That is the way you saw the clipboard there?
Mr. BARNES. That is the way it was.
Mr. BELIN. It appears to be there is a picture of some man on the
clipboard. Did you notice whether or not there was any handwriting or
any memorandum paper on the board?
Mr. BARNES. I couldn't tell you what was on the clipboard.
Mr. BELIN. Anything else about this particular picture, Barnes
Deposition Exhibit A?
Mr. BARNES. What?
Mr. BELIN. Anything that you can tell us about it that you think might
be relevant?
Mr. BARNES. Not that I know.
Mr. BELIN. I am now turning to Barnes Deposition Exhibit B. What is
Exhibit B?
Mr. BARNES. That is a picture showing the front of the squadcar, and
also blood on the street where Tippit fell.
Mr. BELIN. I wonder if you could circle with this ballpoint pen on
Barnes Deposition Exhibit B, the spot of blood where you say Tippit
fell?