TESTIMONY OF JAMES R. LEAVELLE

The testimony of James R. Leavelle was taken at 9:30 a.m., on April 7,

1964, in the office of the U.S. attorney, 301 Post Office Building,

Bryan and Ervay Streets, Dallas, Tex., by Messrs. Joseph A. Ball and

Samuel A. Stern, assistant counsel of the President's Commission.

Robert T. Davis, assistant attorney general, was present.

Mr. BALL. Mr. Leavelle, will you stand and raise your right hand?

[Witness complying.]

Mr. BALL. Do you solemnly swear the testimony you are about to give

will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help

you God?

Mr. LEAVELLE. I do.

Mr. BALL. Will you state you name, please?

Mr. LEAVELLE. James R. Leavelle.

Mr. BALL. And your address?

Mr. LEAVELLE. 7703 R-i-l-l-a [spelling], Dallas, Tex.

Mr. BALL. And, what is your occupation?

Mr. LEAVELLE. Detective, Dallas Police Department.

Mr. BALL. How long have you been on the department?

Mr. LEAVELLE. Fourteen years.

Mr. BALL. How long have you been in the homicide squad?

Mr. LEAVELLE. A little over 5 years.

Mr. BALL. Tell me about where you were born and your education; what

you have done most of your life.

Mr. LEAVELLE. Well, I was born and raised mostly in Red River County in

east Texas and went into service. After leaving the service, coming out

of the service I worked for different companies here in Dallas until I

joined the department in 1950.

Mr. BALL. The purpose of our inquiry here is to find out facts

concerning the assassination of President Kennedy. That's the general

purpose of it.

Mr. LEAVELLE. Yes.

Mr. BALL. You took part in the investigation, did you not, as a member

of the Dallas Police Department?

Mr. LEAVELLE. A minor part you might say. I didn't have much to do with

Oswald, myself.

Mr. BALL. Well, you talked to some of the witnesses, didn't you?

Mr. LEAVELLE. Yes.

Mr. BALL. On November 22, 1963, were you on duty?

Mr. LEAVELLE. Yes; I was.

Mr. BALL. What time did you go to work?

Mr. LEAVELLE. I was working 8 to 4 I believe, that month and I

had--when I heard of the assassination. I had just come into the

homicide office with a Negro boy I had arrested for robbery.

Mr. BALL. Whereabouts did you go then after that?

Mr. LEAVELLE. We, along with Charlie Brown, went to the building, the

Texas Book Depository, and talked with the inspector there. I asked him

if the building had been secured and he said it was and Captain Fritz

was in the building.

Mr. BALL. Was that Inspector Sawyer?

Mr. LEAVELLE. Yes; he said they were sending all witnesses to the

sheriff's office and I might go over and check and see what was needed,

so I went to the sheriff's office and found them in a general uproar

more or less. They had several witnesses around and they wanted to

take affidavits from them; however, none of them had started. So, when

I walked in, they knew I was a homicide man and would be indirectly

responsible for some of the investigation, so I talked with Allen

Sweatt, chief deputy, and started to set up the procedure for the

taking of the affidavits from the witnesses when several of the--four,

five or six of the burglary and theft detectives walked in and told me

that they were sent down there to do whatever was needed to be done and

asked me what was needed, so I told them to work with Mr. Sweatt and

take those affidavits and they could do that as well as I and I would

go back to the Depository and see what might further be needed over

there. I went to the Depository and had been there just a short time

talking to some of the officers on duty there. I don't remember who

they were at this time and at that time I heard a radio broadcast of

the shooting in Oak Cliff which involved Officer Tippit and I called my

office and found that there was no one to answer the call in Oak Cliff

and since everything was under control there, I felt like some of us

should be in Oak Cliff, so I borrowed a car from Detective Red Edwards

of burglary----

(At this point, Mr. Robert T. Davis enters.)

Mr. BALL. Go ahead, Mr. Leavelle.

Mr. LEAVELLE. I borrowed an automobile from Detective Red Edwards, A.

L. Edwards, and proceeded to the Oak Cliff area. I went to the scene of

the shooting. They had removed Tippit's body at that time and I talked

with the sergeant and the officer.

Mr. BALL. What were their names?

Mr. LEAVELLE. I believe Sergeant Bud Owens was the sergeant there and

one of the uniformed officers was--I may be in error on this, but I

believe it was Poe.

Mr. BALL. J. M. Poe?

Mr. LEAVELLE. Yes; P-o-e [spelling].

Mr. BALL. At that time someone told you some empty .38 caliber hulls

had been picked up. Did Poe tell you that?

Mr. LEAVELLE. Yes; I believe he did.

Mr. BALL. Did he give you the hulls?

Mr. LEAVELLE. No; he did not give them to me. I think my instructions

to him were to turn them over to the crime lab.

Mr. BALL. Did he show them to you?

Mr. LEAVELLE. I don't think so; he may have but I do not recall. He

may have. He did say that there was an eyewitness to it but he didn't

know her name at the time. So, while I was talking to him was when

the call came out they seen the suspect go into the Texas Theatre,

so I proceeded to the Texas Theatre, but due to the heavy traffic, I

didn't get there until after the arrest was made and they had left, so

I returned to the scene and talked with the officer some more and I

believe that he also told me that a man in a carlot down there had seen

Oswald running from the scene.

Mr. BALL. Who told you?

Mr. LEAVELLE. Poe, I believe. Now, I could be in error on that but

someone told me anyway, so----

Mr. BALL. You went back to the police station and took some affidavits

from witnesses, didn't you?

Mr. LEAVELLE. That's right, I went on to the station at that time and

took affidavits from--talked with some of the witnesses that they

had brought in there because at the time I didn't realize there was

any connection between Oswald and the shooting of Tippit or the one

that they had arrested in the Texas Theatre for the killing of Tippit

and the Presidential assassination. I thought it was two different

things altogether. So, I proceeded back to the office to work on that

end of it, checking with the captain, and they was tied up with the

Presidential assassination, and not until we got there did I realize

some few minutes later on, when talking to some of the people of the

Texas Book Depository, did we realize Oswald could very well be the

same one who assassinated the President.

Mr. BALL. Well, did Captain Fritz instruct you to go out and pick up

the witness and come down to a showup, bring her down to a showup?

Mr. LEAVELLE. Yes; this Helen Markham, the witness, was in such a state

of shock she had been unable to view the lineup.

Mr. BALL. Where did you see her the first time?

Mr. LEAVELLE. She was in the emergency room, in the hospital emergency

room, first aid room, whatever you call it in the basement of the city

hall, and I went over and talked with her and kind of got her calmed

down where she thought she could stand to view the lineup, and when she

told me that she felt like she was able to stand it, why, I called the

captain and told him that we were ready for the showup, at which time

some of the other officers brought Oswald down. I took here into the

showup room myself and stood with her while she viewed the lineup.

Mr. BALL. Were you and Helen Markham the only two in what you call the

showup room?

Mr. LEAVELLE. No, Captain Fritz and Chief Curry was in there also and

possibly one or two others; I do not recall.

Mr. BALL. How about your partner, C. W. Brown?

Mr. LEAVELLE. I do not know whether he was there or not.

Mr. BALL. Any other witnesses?

Mr. LEAVELLE. Now Mr. Graves may have been in there.

Mr. BALL. Were there any other witnesses in there?

Mr. LEAVELLE. No.

Mr. BALL. Who picked the men for the showup?

Mr. LEAVELLE. I do not know.

Mr. BALL. Did you?

Mr. LEAVELLE. No; I had nothing to do with that.

Mr. BALL. Do you know who the men were in the showup?

Mr. LEAVELLE. That particular showup they had gotten two of the

officers, I believe, that work in the vice squad.

Mr. BALL. I have the names of the people in the showup; No. 1 was Bill

Perry; is he a Dallas Police Department officer?

Mr. LEAVELLE. Yes.

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