Mr. BELIN. Where was Captain Fritz at this time?
Mr. BROWN. He was still at the scene of the shooting, at the Texas
School Book Depository. He called from there.
Mr. BELIN. Then what did you do?
Mr. BROWN. I told him it looked like we might have the boy that was
responsible for that. He said, "Okay, I will be up in a few minutes."
Mr. BELIN. What did you mean by "that," for the assassination?
Mr. BROWN. For the President's assassination. That was my own personal
opinion at that time.
Mr. BELIN. Then what did you do?
Mr. BROWN. Then after the confusion died down a little bit, I got Mr.
Shelley back in another room, the other room that was not occupied at
this time, and finished my affidavit with him in regard to what he did,
saw, or heard at the time of the assassination.
Mr. BELIN. All right, did Shelley say anything more about Oswald at the
time you talked to him?
Mr. BROWN. Yes; after he mentioned that he was an employee there,
that he had been training him--see, I had taken the affidavit from
him in regard to what he was doing personally--then after they bring
Oswald in, he tells me that he was responsible for him and was his
own personal supervisor. I immediately got an affidavit from him in
conjunction with what his work consisted of, when he was employed, and
what he was doing, and what type work he did there.
Mr. BELIN. Did he indicate where Oswald was, at the time of the
shooting?
Mr. BROWN. No; he did not know where Oswald was at the time of the
shooting.
Mr. BELIN. Did he say whether or not he had ever seen Oswald subsequent
to the time of the shooting before he saw him in the police department?
Mr. BROWN. Yes; he saw him that morning. He gave him some stuff to do.
Mr. BELIN. I mean after the time of the shooting of the President?
Mr. BROWN. No; he did not see him.
Mr. BELIN. Did he say where he, Shelley, was?
Mr. BROWN. Yes; I have it in his affidavit. I don't remember where he
said he was.
Mr. BELIN. But you took an affidavit from him?
Mr. BROWN. Yes; I did. I don't have that report with me.
Mr. BELIN. We have a copy of it here, but we are going to take the
deposition of Mr. Shelley and we will get it then.
Mr. BROWN. All right.
Mr. BELIN. Now, also, I believe your partner, Mr. Senkel took an
affidavit of Bonnie Ray Williams, is that correct, at that same time?
Mr. BROWN. That's right; yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN. He was a Negro employee?
Mr. BROWN. That's right.
Mr. BELIN. Why did you take his affidavit?
Mr. BROWN. He was there employed. He was getting the affidavit from
every employee in the building that day, for the reason of where they
were, what they saw, and what they heard then during this assassination.
Mr. BELIN. Anything else that you did on that day of November 22, that
you think involved the assassination in any way, shape, or form?
I will ask you this. Detective Brown, you made a memorandum with regard
to your actions on November 22 and November 23, did you not?
Mr. BROWN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN. Do you have any memorandum pertaining to any showups that
you participated in?
Mr. BROWN. Yes; on the 22d of November I had a showup with my partner,
C. N. Dhority. This occurred in the basement of the city hall with
a Mr. McWatters, who is an employee of the Dallas Transit Co. as a
busdriver, who at that time identified Lee Harvey Oswald as No. 2 in
the four-man lineup at 6:30 p.m.
Mr. BELIN. Was Lee Harvey Oswald the No. 2 man in that lineup?
Mr. BROWN. Yes, sir; he was. That is numbering, facing the stage from
your left to right.
Mr. BELIN. You mean your left, the observers left?
Mr. BROWN. Yes; the observers left to his right.
Mr. BELIN. Do your notes, of their own accord, show who else was in the
lineup besides Lee Harvey Oswald?
Mr. BROWN. No; it does not.
Mr. BELIN. Where would that information be available?
Mr. BROWN. I am not for sure on that, because during the time we were
taking an affidavit from Mr. McWatters in regard to him seeing Lee
Harvey Oswald on his bus, and also identifying his mark he made on the
bus transfer.
Another officer had this stub, and the other three men in the lineup
were for other witnesses to observe.
Mr. BELIN. You don't know who else was in the lineup?
Mr. BROWN. No; I did not get their names.
Mr. BELIN. Do you know what McWatters said when he made his
identification?
Mr. BROWN. Yes. Mr. McWatters said, "Yes, he is the one that got on the
bus. I gave him a transfer."
Mr. BELIN. Did you show Mr. McWatters any transfer that had been found
in Oswald's possession?
Mr. BROWN. Yes; at the time he was in their office.
Mr. BELIN. Did you yourself show him that?
Mr. BROWN. No; I did not.
Mr. BELIN. Did you see someone show him that?
Mr. BROWN. Yes; my partner, Detective Dhority.
Mr. BELIN. What did McWatters say about that?