Mr. CLARK. To his left.
Mr. BALL. To his left. Then who was next to Oswald?
Mr. CLARK. And my partner, W. E. Perry, was next to Oswald.
Mr. BALL. Was he handcuffed to Oswald?
Mr. CLARK. Yes, sir; he was. Handcuffed his left hand to Oswald's right
hand.
Mr. BALL. What about Mr. Ables?
Mr. CLARK. Mr. Ables was standing to the left.
Mr. BALL. Was he handcuffed?
Mr. CLARK. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. Off the record.
(Discussion off the record.)
Mr. BALL. Okay. We'll put that on. Now, did you have numbers in the
showup as such? Have a number above each man?
Mr. CLARK. Yes; I believe we do.
Mr. BALL. Now, facing the audience, if you were in the audience, were
you numbered from left to right?
Mr. CLARK. Numbered from left to right.
Mr. BALL. As you faced the audience?
Mr. CLARK. Yes.
Mr. BALL. And as the audience faces you, it is right to left to the
audience?
Mr. CLARK. The audience facing us it--well, it would be just opposite.
Mr. BALL. Opposite, that's right. Now, as you faced the audience, who
was the first one to the left?
Mr. CLARK. First one to my left?
Mr. BALL. Yes.
Mr. CLARK. Be Ables.
Mr. BALL. The No. 1 was Ables?
Mr. CLARK. No, sir; No. 1 was Perry.
Mr. BALL. Who was No. 2?
Mr. CLARK. Oswald.
Mr. BALL. Who was No. 3?
Mr. CLARK. Myself.
Mr. BALL. Who was No. 4?
Mr. CLARK. Ables.
Mr. BALL. And he stood to your right and faced the audience?
Mr. CLARK. No, sir; he stood to my left as I was facing the audience.
The audience was looking at him, it would be----
Mr. BALL. He stood on your left?
Mr. CLARK. That's right.
Mr. BALL. I see. Ables would be the No. 4 man?
Mr. CLARK. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. And you the No. 3 man?
Mr. CLARK. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Oswald was 2, your partner 1?
Mr. CLARK. That's right.
Mr. BALL. Now, did the detective in this first showup ask you any
questions?
Mr. CLARK. Did the detective ask us?
Mr. BALL. Yes, in the showup?
Mr. CLARK. No, sir; he didn't ask any questions.
Mr. BALL. Now, back to the first showup, did the detective ask you any
questions? Ask your name and address and occupation?
Mr. BALL. Oh, in the showup.
Mr. BALL. In the showup.
Mr. CLARK. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. What did he ask you?
Mr. CLARK. He asked me my name.
Mr. BALL. What did you tell him?
Mr. CLARK. I don't remember what I told him.
Mr. BALL. Did you give him your real name?
Mr. CLARK. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. Fictitious name?
Mr. CLARK. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Ask you your occupation?
Mr. CLARK. Asked my occupation.
Mr. BALL. What did you tell him?
Mr. CLARK. I don't recall. All of them are fictitious.
Mr. BALL. Fictitious?
Mr. CLARK. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Did you hear anything that was said in the audience?
Mr. CLARK. No, sir; I couldn't hear anything that was said.
Mr. BALL. Lights were on you?
Mr. CLARK. Lights were on us; yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. And you couldn't see in the audience?
Mr. CLARK. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. Now, can you refresh your memory from the police report and
tell me what time that first showup was?
Mr. CLARK. 4:35 p.m.
Mr. BALL. P.m.? You were in the second showup also, weren't you?
Mr. CLARK. Second showup would be 6:30 p.m.
Mr. BALL. Now, those were the only two showups in which you took part?
Mr. CLARK. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Now, at the 6:30 showup, how did you happen to take part in
that?
Mr. CLARK. I believe some detective, I don't recall who, came up from
homicide and told us that there would probably be another showup after
the first one, to stick around in the event that there was that they
wanted us again.
Mr. BALL. Did you still stick around?
Mr. CLARK. We went back to our office.
Mr. BALL. To your office? Did you get a call?
Mr. CLARK. Yes, sir; they called us back down there.
Mr. BALL. Who called you?
Mr. CLARK. I don't recall who called us.
Mr. BALL. Where did you go when you got the call?
Mr. CLARK. Back up to the third floor, homicide office up there.
Mr. BALL. Fritz' office?
Mr. CLARK. Yes.
Mr. BALL. What had you done with the little red vest that you had on in
the first showup?
Mr. CLARK. I had left--after the showup we went back upstairs to the
homicide, and I took it off and left it there.
Mr. BALL. What did you do for the second showup? How did you dress?
Mr. CLARK. The same red vest.
Mr. BALL. What about your tie?
Mr. CLARK. No tie.
Mr. BALL. What about the coat?
Mr. CLARK. No coat.
Mr. BALL. Now, on the second showup, where were you standing?
Mr. CLARK. Same position.
Mr. BALL. Same position?
Mr. CLARK. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Facing the audience, who was No. 1?