Mr. BALL. Did you ask him what his address was?
Mr. ROSE. Yes; but from there, he wouldn't tell me--he just said, "You
just find out."
Mr. BALL. Now, did anybody ever tell you that his address was 1026
North Beckley?
Mr. ROSE. Later they did--right then they didn't; no, sir.
Mr. BALL. You didn't know it at that time?
Mr. ROSE. No, sir; I didn't.
Mr. BALL. How soon after that did you go out to Irving--to the Irving
Street address?
Mr. ROSE. In just a few minutes Captain Fritz came in and he instructed
me to get two men and go to Irving to the Ruth Paine home and so I went
immediately.
Mr. BALL. Did he tell you "the Ruth Paine home," or did he tell you to
go to a certain address in Irving?
Mr. ROSE. I believe he gave me the address.
Mr. BALL. What was the address?
Mr. ROSE. 2515 West Fifth in Irving.
Mr. BALL. How many men went out there?
Mr. ROSE. There was me, and Detective Adamcik and Detective Stovall,
and on the way, we radioed and asked for a county unit to meet us, and
we were met by Detectives Harry Weatherford, E. W. Walthers, and J. L.
Oxford, detectives for the county CID--we waited about 40 minutes and
they came and met us.
Mr. BALL. Did you have a search warrant?
Mr. ROSE. No; we didn't.
Mr. BALL. How did you get in the house?
Mr. ROSE. We walked up to the house, me and Stovall and one of the
county officers, and I could hear the TV was playing, and I could
see the door was standing open--the front door was--and I could see
two people sitting inside the living room on the couch, and just as
soon as we walked up on the porch, Ruth Paine came to the door. She
apparently recognized us--she said, "I've been expecting you all," and
we identified ourselves, and she said, "Well, I've been expecting you
to come out. Come right on in."
Mr. BALL. Did she say why she had been expecting you?
Mr. ROSE. She said, "Just as soon as I heard where the shooting
happened, I knew there would be someone out."
Mr. BALL. You took part in the search, didn't you?
Mr. ROSE. Yes; I did.
Mr. BALL. What part did you take?
Mr. ROSE. Well, I was the senior detective that was there, and so I
was sort of the spokesman for the group, I suppose, and Stovall went
into the bedroom of Marina Oswald--Marina Oswald's bedroom, and I don't
remember where Adamcik went first, but I talked with Ruth Paine a few
minutes and she told me that Marina was there and that she was Lee
Oswald's wife and that she was a citizen of Russia, and so I called
Captain Fritz on the phone and told him what I had found out there and
asked him if there was any special instructions, and he said, "Well,
ask her about her husband, ask her if her husband has a rifle."
I turned and asked Marina, but she didn't seem to understand. She said
she couldn't understand, so Ruth Paine spoke in Russian to her and Ruth
Paine also interpreted for me, and she said that Marina said--first she
said Marina said "No," and then in a minute Marina said, "Yes, he does
have."
So, then I talked to Captain Fritz for a moment and hung up the phone
and I asked Marina if she would show me where his rifle was and Ruth
Paine interpreted and Marina pointed to the garage and she took me to
the garage and she pointed to a blanket that was rolled up and laying
on the floor near the wall of the garage and Ruth Paine said, "Says
that that's where his rifle is."
Well, at the time I couldn't tell whether there was one in there or
not. It appeared to be--it was in sort of an outline of a rifle.
Mr. BALL. You mean the blanket had the outline of a rifle?
Mr. ROSE. Yes; it did.
Mr. BALL. Was it tied at one end?
Mr. ROSE. Yes, sir; it was sort of rolled up, but it was flattened out
from laying down and tied near the middle. I would say, with a cord and
so I went on and picked the blanket up, but it was empty--it didn't
have the rifle in it.
Mr. BALL. You brought that in?
Mr. ROSE. Yes; I did.
Mr. BALL. What else did you see?
Mr. ROSE. I didn't make very much of a search of the garage at that
time. I came back into the house and talked with Marina some more and
talked with Ruth Paine some and was busy trying to make arrangements
to get someone to come down and take care of Ruth Paine's children and
Marina's children so I could bring them to the city hall and I did
assist Stovall and Adamcik in this search, briefly--I didn't do too
much.
Mr. BALL. Could I see the report there, please?
Mr. ROSE. Yes--I wrote that report shortly after the 24th--I believe it
was around the 24th, but I don't remember for sure what date I wrote
it. I wrote it from some notes that I had taken.
Mr. BALL. Now, after you were there for a little while, did Michael
Paine come in?
Mr. ROSE. Yes; we had only been there a few minutes and we were in
plain cars, so I don't know whether he knew we were there. He didn't
appear to know we were there, and he walked up the sidewalk and just
walked in the door without knocking, and I was standing just around the
corner talking to Ruth Paine and she was standing in his view and he
didn't see any of the officers--we were all out of sight at that time,
and he walked in and he said, "I came to help you. Just as soon as I
heard where it happened, I knew you would need some help."
Then he apparently saw us and then he spoke to us.
Mr. BALL. Did Marina Oswald tell you--point to the blanket and say
something?
Mr. ROSE. She pointed to the blanket and said something in Russian and
Ruth Paine was standing right there beside her and she interpreted for
me--she said, "That's where her husband's rifle is."
Mr. BALL. About that time, while you were there, did a Mrs. Linnie
Randle come over to you?
Mr. ROSE. She might have come up to the yard and I didn't talk with
her--I saw her out in the yard--I didn't talk to her.
Mr. BALL. You didn't talk to her at all?
Mr. ROSE. At that time I didn't--I did later.
Mr. BALL. You brought Ruth Paine and Marina down to the police
department, did you?
Mr. ROSE. Yes; we took Ruth Paine and Marina and Marina's two children
in our car and also the blanket--I carried it.
Mr. BALL. And the rest of that day you spent in inquiring for and
looking around for Wesley Frazier?
Mr. ROSE. Well, we came on back to the city hall and we took Ruth Paine
and Michael Paine and Marina Oswald to the homicide office, but it was
so crowded that we transferred them to the forgery bureau office next
door, and then someone came over and I believe it was the Detective
Senkel, to take affidavits from them and I immediately started trying
to locate Wesley Frazier.
We were told that he would be at Parkland Hospital, but we checked
through Parkland and there was no Fraziers there and I started a check
of the clinics and the doctors' offices in Irving, and I located
through one of the nurses, I believe, or talked to someone on the phone
there that Mr. Frazier was in the hospital there at the Irving Clinic,
so I called Detective McCabe in Irving and told him that we wanted to
talk with Wesley Frazier and that we understood that Wesley was the one
that had brought Lee Oswald to work that morning.
Mr. BALL. You took a statement from Frazier that day?
Mr. ROSE. Yes; we got Frazier and brought him in and took a written
affidavit off of him.
Mr. BALL. And you also talked to Linnie Randle that night?
Mr. ROSE. Yes; I brought her in, too.
Mr. BALL. Did you talk to Lee Oswald any more during that day except
the time you mentioned?
Mr. ROSE. No, sir; I didn't.
Mr. BALL. Were you present at any time that anyone questioned him?
Mr. ROSE. Not that day. I was the next day, on Saturday--I was present
when Captain Fritz talked to him.
Mr. BALL. On Saturday morning you went out to Irving again?
Mr. ROSE. Yes, sir; I did.
Mr. BALL. At this time you had a search warrant?
Mr. ROSE. Yes, sir; I did.
Mr. BALL. What did you search on this day?
Mr. ROSE. We made a search of the garage, mainly, on this day since
quite a bit of Lee Oswald's property was in the garage.
Mr. BALL. What did you find there?
Mr. ROSE. Well, I found two sea bags, three suitcases, and two
cardboard boxes and all of them contained numerous items of property of
Oswald.
Mr. BALL. Did you find some pictures?
Mr. ROSE. Yes; I found two negatives first that showed Lee Oswald
holding a rifle in his hand, wearing a pistol at his hip, and right
with those negatives I found a developed picture--I don't know what you
call it, but anyway a picture that had been developed from the negative
of him holding this rifle, and Detective McCabe was standing there and
he found the other picture--of Oswald holding the rifle.
Mr. BALL. What color were the sea bags?
Mr. ROSE. I believe they were kind of an off white--I would call
them--more of a greyish-white.
Mr. BALL. What about the suitcases?
Mr. ROSE. I don't remember the color of those suitcases. I know one of
them was real worn.
Mr. BALL. But you brought that property back here into town, did you?
Mr. ROSE. Yes; we did.
Mr. BALL. Now, you say you sat in on the interrogation of Oswald later
that day?
Mr. ROSE. On Saturday evening--that Saturday evening.
Mr. BALL. What time?
Mr. ROSE. I don't remember--it was late--it seemed like it was around 9
or 10 o'clock, I don't remember.
Mr. BALL. Who was present?
Mr. ROSE. Well, Captain Fritz, Detective Sims, and myself--I don't
remember--there was an FBI agent and a Secret Service agent there, but
I don't remember their names.
Mr. BALL. Do you remember what was said?
Mr. ROSE. Do I remember what was said?
Mr. BALL. That this took place in Captain Fritz' office?
Mr. ROSE. In Captain Fritz' office--yes. Well, the occasion was--I got
back to the office and I took this small picture of Oswald holding the
rifle, and left the rest of them with the Captain and I took one up to
the I.D. bureau and had them to make me an enlargement of it, and they
made an almost 8" by 10" enlargement of this picture and I brought it
back to the captain and Oswald was brought in and the captain showed
him this picture, and Oswald apparently got pretty upset when he saw
the picture and at first he said, "Well, that's just a fake, because
somebody has superimposed my face on that picture." Then, the captain
said, "Well, is that your face on the picture?"
And he said, "I won't even admit that. That is not even my face." I
remember that part of it distinctly.
I remember him volunteering some information about when he was in
Russia.
Mr. BALL. What did he say?
Mr. ROSE. Well, he talked about how life was better for the colored
people in Russia than it was in the United States. I don't remember--he
just rambled on--he liked to talk about that, but he wouldn't talk
about anything to do with the assassination or the killing of Tippit.
Mr. BALL. Did you ever hear anybody accuse him of assassinating the
President?
Mr. ROSE. No, sir; I don't believe I did.
Mr. BALL. Did you ever hear anybody accuse him of killing Tippit?
Mr. ROSE. No; I don't believe so. Some mention might have been made of
the assassination but I don't believe it was as an accusation to him.
That was the only interrogation I sat in on.
Mr. BALL. That was the only one you sat in on?
Mr. ROSE. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Do you remember anything else that was said in that
interrogation?
Mr. ROSE. No, sir; that's about all I can remember. There was more
said, but I don't remember what it was.
Mr. BALL. Did you take part in any of the search of the premises?
Mr. ROSE. Let's, let's see--that was Saturday, and then Sunday,
immediately after Oswald was shot, I reported for duty and I was
supposed to be off and I reported on as soon as as he was shot and
Captain Fritz told me to get a search warrant and go out to Jack Ruby's
apartment and search it and I did.
Mr. BALL. I believe those are all the questions I have to ask you,
Mr. Rose, and this will be written up and submitted to you for your
signature, if you want to read it and sign it, or if you want to, you
can waive your signature--just as you wish. What do you prefer?
Mr. ROSE. Well, I don't know--will it be later?
Mr. BALL. A couple of weeks.
Mr. ROSE. Well, if she will just call me, I will drop by anytime.
Mr. BALL. Okay, that will be fine. We will do this. Thanks very much.
Mr. ROSE. Let's see, there was something else I was going to tell you
now, I wanted to mention--we did run Wesley Frazier on the polygraph,
did you know that?
Mr. BALL. I know you did--we know about that.
Mr. ROSE. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Thanks.