Mr. BALL. All right, after you check them, we will go over them and you
can make an explanation for the record.
Mr. STOVALL. All right, fine.
Mr. BALL. Now, since we have gone back on the record--Exhibit A-1 and
A-2 have been marked--have you marked those things which were taken
from Marina's room?
Mr. STOVALL. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. You have an explanation to make as to certain of those,
haven't you?
Mr. STOVALL. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. What is that?
Mr. STOVALL. On this list here--where it has 1963 Kodachrome
transparent slides, you have it coded at the top, I have one brown
pasteboard box filled with camera film slides. One of those, I believe,
came out of the back room, which would be Ruth Paine's bedroom, and the
other came out of the chest of drawers in Marina Oswald's bedroom, but
I'm not sure which came from which place.
Mr. BALL. Do you know where the other articles that were on that list
that have not been checked, were found?
Mr. STOVALL. Some of them I do, and some of them I'm not positive on.
Mr. BALL. Did you find them, or did some other officer find those other
items--those other articles?
Mr. STOVALL. Well, it's hard to say. I don't remember for sure where
these came from. I know that I went through the front bedroom there and
when we started--I went to the back bedroom and looked at some of the
stuff in there and Rose was also in there and Adamcik came in there too.
Mr. BALL. Give us, from your memory, then, the other articles that are
not checked there? Take a look at them, and then tell us, if you can,
from your memory, just where you found those articles.
Mr. STOVALL. There was one box of Kodaslides in the single name of Ruth
Hyde, another yellow box of Kodaslides, single--I'm not sure where they
came from. I believe they came out of Ruth Paine's bedroom. I have
listed one book from Sears Tower slide projector.
Mr. BALL. You don't make a check on it if you didn't find it in
Marina's bedroom.
Mr. STOVALL. No, sir; I missed one up there when we checked them.
Mr. BALL. All right, very well.
Mr. STOVALL. That one, I'm not sure which bedroom it came from--I know
it came from one of the bedrooms, but I don't know which one. I've got
listed "one grey metal file box, which is 12 inches by 6 inches; youth
pictures and literature." I've got, "One black and gray metal box 10
inches by 4 inches, letters, etc., one box brown Keystone projector."
Let's stop just a minute and let me tell you about this.
These two metal boxes came out of Ruth Paine's bedroom. This Keystone
projector came out of the closet in the hall. Then, I have listed,
"Three brown metal boxes 12 inches by 4 inches containing phonograph
records." They came out of Ruth Paine's bedroom.
I've got listed, "One Blue Check telephone index book (addresses)"--I'm
not sure which bedroom that came from. And, I've got listed "One
bracket (instruction for mounting)" and I believe that came out
of Marina's bedroom--I'm not sure. The next is not checked and I'm
not sure, but it is "1963 Kodachrome transparency slides," which I
explained a while ago. The next one I don't have checked is "One
envelope with women's book entitled 'Simplicity'". I'm not sure which
bedroom that came out of. Then I've got "One Russian book."
We took several books from Marina's bedroom and I don't recall
taking any books from Ruth Paine's bedroom, but I don't remember the
particular ones--it's very possible I did, I can't be sure, but that's
the last one I don't have checked.
Mr. BALL. Did you search any other part of the house besides Marina's
bedroom?
Mr. STOVALL. I assisted in searching the back bedroom. I searched the
hall closet and I also looked at several things in the living room and
the kitchen and the den.
Mr. BALL. Did you search the garage?
Mr. STOVALL. No, sir; not that day, I did the next day.
Mr. BALL. Rose searched the garage that day?
Mr. STOVALL. Yes, sir; he was out in the garage. We were going over the
stuff pretty hastily at that time--that day.
Mr. BALL. How long were you there that day--how long were you there?
Mr. STOVALL. I would say for approximately 2 to 2-1/2 hours, if that
long.
Mr. BALL. Now, when you first went in, did Ruth Paine say anything to
you about expecting you, or something of that sort?
Mr. STOVALL. Yes, sir; when we first came to the door and knocked
on the door, she came to the door and she says, and we identified
ourselves, she said "I have been expecting you. You are here about
this mess that's on television," and the "mess that's on television"
at the time she was talking about was when they were talking about the
President's murder.
Mr. BALL. And Oswald had been apprehended at that time?
Mr. STOVALL. Yes, he had, but he had been apprehended before we got
there.
Mr. BALL. Before you got there Oswald had been arrested and brought
into the office?
Mr. STOVALL. They had brought him into the office after I was there.
Mr. BALL. Later on, did her husband come in there--come in the house?
Mr. STOVALL. Yes, I guess we had been there approximately 15 minutes
when Michael Paine came out and said he had taken off from work and he
said he heard about the President's murder on television and he thought
he would come right on out and see if he could be of any help.
Mr. BALL. Did he say whether or not he had heard about it on radio or
television?
Mr. STOVALL. No, sir; I don't recall him saying where he said he heard
about it--I don't recall him saying that.
Mr. BALL. Did you ask him any questions at that time?
Mr. STOVALL. No, sir; I can't recall asking him anything at that time.
However, I did talk to him but I don't remember what the conversation
was.
Mr. BALL. Did a Mrs. Randle come in the house also?
Mr. STOVALL. No, sir; she didn't. While we were loading this stuff into
our car and into the sheriff's deputy's car, we were on the outside,
and you know, going in and out, and she had stopped Adamcik and was
talking to him and he came over and talked to me and went on back and
talked to her and she said that her brother had taken Oswald to work
that morning and she said that she had seen him put some kind of a
package in the back seat of her brother's car. She told us it could
have been a rifle--is what she said. She said it was either in a brown
paper box or wrapped in brown paper.
Mr. BALL. What time did you leave there that day?
Mr. STOVALL. It must have been around 5:30, because it was--I believe
it was 6 when we got back to the office.
Mr. BALL. Did you bring somebody back with you?
Mr. STOVALL. Yes, we brought Michael Paine--he rode with the sheriff's
deputies and we brought Ruth Paine and Marina Oswald and Marina's two
children.
Mr. BALL. And did you take them into the offices of the police?
Mr. STOVALL. Yes, we did. We took them into the Homicide and Robbery
Bureau.
Mr. BALL. Did you talk to them after that?
Mr. STOVALL. No, sir; not that day--I didn't. We took them from there
into the Forgery Bureau because there was so many people in our office
up there.
Mr. BALL. Into which bureau?
Mr. STOVALL. Into the Forgery Bureau--we took them from the Homicide
Bureau into the Forgery Bureau because they had room in there where we
could leave them.
Mr. BALL. What did you do the rest of that day?
Mr. STOVALL. After that we went--we called on the phone--Rose
did--trying to find this Wesley Frazier, who was this Mrs. Randle's
brother to talk to him about this package that his sister said Oswald
had put in his car that morning. Rose checked around and finally
located him at a clinic in Irving. He called and found out where
Wesley Frazier was--he called the Irving Police Department and talked
to Detective McCabe out there and told him what the situation was
and McCabe told us to call him back later and he would see if he
couldn't get ahold of him out there and so we called him back in 15
or 20 minutes, I guess, and he said that he had the boy at the Police
Department out there.
Mr. BALL. You went out there and talked to him?
Mr. STOVALL. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. And you also searched their home, didn't you?
Mr. STOVALL. Yes, we did.
Mr. BALL. And then you brought Linnie Randle and Wesley Frazier into
Dallas and took statements from them?
Mr. STOVALL. Yes, sir; we didn't take the affidavits from them, but I
don't recall who did, but after the affidavits were taken, we started
back to Irving with them, they also had a minister from their church
with them, I believe. We started back to Irving and we got about
halfway, I guess, and they called us on the radio to return to the
station with the witnesses and we came back and Rose called the captain
from the basement phone down there and he said he wanted to take Wesley
Frazier up and run him on the polygraph, and he agreed to this and so
we took him up there, and we didn't have a man on the polygraph at that
time. I think he left around 9 o'clock and so we called him on the
phone and he came back down and got there around 11:15 or 11:30.
Mr. BALL. And it was about 12:10 when you ran the polygraph on Frazier,
wasn't it?
Mr. STOVALL. No, sir; it was about 12:10 when we finished, I think,
when he finished running it.
Mr. BALL. About 12:10 when you finished the polygraph on Frazier?
Mr. STOVALL. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Then, what did you do?
Mr. STOVALL. Then, we went back down to the basement. We had left
Frazier's sister and the minister down in the basement, as well as I
remember. And we took him back down there and then we went on back out
to Irving and left them.
Mr. BALL. When you took the polygraph, you were present during the
polygraph examination of Frazier, were you?
Mr. STOVALL. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. And during this examination, did you have before you the
affidavit which Frazier had made?
Mr. STOVALL. No, sir; I didn't.
Mr. BALL. You didn't at that time?
Mr. STOVALL. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. Who did the questioning?
Mr. STOVALL. R. D. Lewis, he's the polygraph operator.
I might explain that to you--in our polygraph room we've got a two-way
mirror there and in another room behind it, so that the officer that is
investigating the case, if he wants to, can watch the examination being
given, and you can hear the questions and the answers.
Mr. BALL. Did you go home, then, after that?
Mr. STOVALL. Yes, sir; after we took them back to Irving we went home.
Mr. BALL. The next day, you made another search of the Paine home,
didn't you?
Mr. STOVALL. Yes, we did.
Mr. BALL. About what time?
Mr. STOVALL. Must have been around 1 o'clock, just past noon, 1:00 p.m.
Mr. BALL. And did you obtain a search warrant first this day?
Mr. STOVALL. Yes, we did.
Mr. BALL. From what judge?
Mr. STOVALL. From J. B. Brown, Jr.
Mr. BALL. Who went out on the search party?
Mr. STOVALL. Detectives Moore, Rose, Adamcik and myself. We went by the
Irving Police Department and picked up Detective McCabe and he went
with us.
Mr. BALL. Moore is also a detective attached to the Dallas Police
Department?
Mr. STOVALL. Yes, Homicide Bureau.
Mr. BALL. And that day you arrived at the Paine home about what time?
Mr. STOVALL. I would judge roughly around 1:30 or 2 o'clock.
Mr. BALL. And did you knock on the door?
Mr. STOVALL. Yes, we did, and Ruth Paine, I believe was the only one
there at the time.
Mr. BALL. And what did you say and what did she say to you?
Mr. STOVALL. We told her that we returned, we wanted to, to make a
further search of the house and we showed her the search warrant at the
time, and I believe she said we didn't need that, to come on in and
that we could search the house anytime we wanted to.
Mr. BALL. And did you search the house?
Mr. STOVALL. Yes, we did. We mainly concentrated our search of the
garage this time, because the first search of the garage had been a
rather quick one, and not having been in the garage on the first search
at all, and I know Rose hadn't spent much time out there because he
didn't have time to on the length of time we spent at the house. So, we
searched the garage and concentrated our search there.
Ruth Paine came out into the garage and I told you Ruth Paine was the
only one there awhile ago--I remember Michael Paine was in the garage.
I think he came up after we got there--I'm not sure--it's possible that
he got there after we got there, but I don't recall, but both of them
came out in this garage and showed us the stuff that belonged to Lee
Oswald and Marina Oswald and showed us the stuff that belonged to them
and they left.
Mr. BALL. Do you mean they left you in the garage?
Mr. STOVALL. Yes, they got in the car and drove off. They left their
house.
Mr. BALL. You have made a report of what you did that day?
Mr. STOVALL. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. And you have that before you, Mr. Stovall?
Mr. STOVALL. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Have you refreshed your memory from the report?
Mr. STOVALL. I glanced over this--I've read this first and I haven't
read this one.
Mr. BALL. Do you want to take some time to look over that report of
your search on the 23d of November 1963?
Mr. STOVALL. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. You stayed in the garage how long?
Mr. STOVALL. It seems like we were in that garage about 1-1/2 or 2
hours. We might have been there longer than that. We made a thorough
search of the garage.
Mr. BALL. Was there some reason you went out there the second time?
Mr. STOVALL. To the garage?
Mr. BALL. No, to the Paine home on the Irving Street address?
Mr. STOVALL. Yes, sir; the main reason we went out there--we wanted to
make a more thorough search of the place. The first search that--we
didn't actually have time to stay as long as we needed to, to check the
whole house.
Mr. BALL. Were you given any specific instructions by anyone from your
department as to what to look for?
Mr. STOVALL. No, sir; not that I recall.
Mr. BALL. Now, did you make a list of what you had found and took with
you on that day?
Mr. STOVALL. Yes, we did.
Mr. BALL. Is this the list?
Mr. STOVALL. Yes, it is.
Mr. BALL. And where was that made?
Mr. STOVALL. That was made down at the city hall in the Homicide Bureau.