Mr. BALL. There was an indentation in the box, was there?
Mr. STUDEBAKER. Yes, and you can tell on these boxes. We checked them
all over and this box is a Second Rolling Readers--that was carried
from the fourth aisle over here to over here (indicating) and there is
another box that was taken off of this stack--this stack right here.
Mr. BALL. Is it shown in the picture?
Mr. STUDEBAKER. It will show on another negative.
Mr. BALL. You see, somebody reading this can't tell what you mean by
"another box taken from this stack here."
Mr. STUDEBAKER. Well, there is a box right under this.
Mr. BALL. Right under what?
Mr. STUDEBAKER. Right under this box.
Mr. BALL. You mean the box that's shown in the window ledge, you mean
the little Rolling Readers?
Mr. STUDEBAKER. There are two boxes stacked up here--here's one, and
here's one.
Mr. BALL. Were they both Rolling Readers?
Mr. STUDEBAKER. Yes; two small boxes, and then a large box with these
books was underneath.
Mr. BALL. It's marked "books"?
Mr. STUDEBAKER. It's marked "books" and it was underneath this box.
Mr. BALL. Now, the box marked "books" was underneath the box marked
"Rolling Readers"?
Mr. STUDEBAKER. Yes; Second Rolling Readers.
Mr. BALL. Now, there were two Rolling Readers boxes, weren't there?
Mr. STUDEBAKER. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Where were they taken from?
Mr. STUDEBAKER. They were taken from the fourth aisle and put there.
Mr. BALL. Where were they stacked in the window?
Mr. STUDEBAKER. Well, this shows as much as you can before anything was
moved, and at that time, we went over to this other place----
Mr. BALL. Did you take this picture?
Mr. STUDEBAKER. Yes, sir; that was after the boxes were dusted.
Mr. BALL. That's after they were moved?
Mr. STUDEBAKER. Yes, sir; that's when we was trying to get some prints
right there.
Mr. BALL. Do you have any pictures of the boxes before they were moved
other than those you have showed me?
Mr. STUDEBAKER. Just these two.
Mr. BALL. Just the two that show the cartons, and those are Exhibits A
and B?
Mr. STUDEBAKER. We have probably got one down there I can get you that
is a lot better print than that. If you want a better print, I can get
it for you.
Mr. BALL. Then, you don't have any pictures taken of the boxes before
they were moved?
Mr. STUDEBAKER. No.
Mr. BALL. Now, I will show you another picture which we will mark as
"Exhibit D," was that taken by you?
Mr. STUDEBAKER. Yes.
(Instrument marked by the reporter as "Studebaker Exhibit D," for
identification.)
Mr. BALL. Does that show the position of the boxes before or after they
were moved?
Mr. STUDEBAKER. That's after they were dusted--there's fingerprint dust
on every box.
Mr. BALL. And they were not in that position then when you first saw
them?
Mr. STUDEBAKER. No.
Mr. BALL. Now, take a look at it and tell me where were they with
reference to the left window sill, were there boxes over close to the
left window sill or in the center, or close to the right of the window
sill?
Mr. STUDEBAKER. Where is your other picture--and I will show you? See
this box right here--this box?
Mr. BALL. We are referring now to the box shown in Exhibit B.
Mr. STUDEBAKER. That's one of these Rolling Readers there in Exhibit B,
you can read it right here--it's upside down. It says, "Second Rolling
Readers."
Mr. BALL. That says 10.
Mr. STUDEBAKER. No; it says Second; that's that little Rolling
Reader--it says "Second Rolling Readers". They don't go by this up
there, they go by this right here, this little print. Now, this box
was turned over on its side and you see the tape right here, the way it
is wrapped around--that was laying in the window like this on the top
box.
Mr. BALL. "In the window like this," you mean as shown on Exhibit B?
Mr. STUDEBAKER. It is Exhibit B.
Mr. BALL. It was on the window ledge?
Mr. STUDEBAKER. It was on the window ledge, just like it is right
there, and then this other box was beside it, and this box was turned
up on end.
Mr. BALL. You say "this box turned up on end," you've got to give us a
description of "this box"--you mean the box marked "books"?
Mr. STUDEBAKER. The box marked "books"--now, we have--this thing is
stapled here some place along this edge and you can see the staples in
this other print. You can't see it in this print.
Mr. BALL. What other print?
Mr. STUDEBAKER. When you make a negative, you have to put it on your
exposure when you expose the thing, and you see, you lose part of your
negative.
Mr. BALL. First, let me get back to what we were talking about first.
Mr. STUDEBAKER. Well, this box was sitting right here--the first box in
Exhibit A.
Mr. BALL. Wait just a minute--let me direct your attention to Exhibit
B, does it show a box on the window ledge?
Mr. STUDEBAKER. This box--the Second Rolling Readers.
Mr. BALL. That picture was taken before the box was moved?
Mr. STUDEBAKER. Yes.
Mr. BALL. That box shown in the window ledge in Exhibit B was the
Rolling Readers box?
Mr. STUDEBAKER. Yes.
Mr. BALL. And underneath that was another box?
Mr. STUDEBAKER. Another Rolling Reader box?
Mr. BALL. And underneath that sitting on the floor was another box?
Mr. STUDEBAKER. A box marked "books".
Mr. BALL. It was larger in size?
Mr. STUDEBAKER. It was larger in size.
Mr. BALL. Than the Rolling Readers box?
Mr. STUDEBAKER. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Now, the one marked "books", how was that standing, was it on
its end or on its side?
Mr. STUDEBAKER. It was on its end. You see, these staples right along
here, these staples show in another print. They don't show in this
print--this is just a bad print.
Mr. BALL. When you say "in this," what is it?
Mr. STUDEBAKER. This is Exhibit--what is it?
Mr. BALL. This is Exhibit A.
Mr. STUDEBAKER. Exhibit A--it was standing on end.
Mr. BALL. Now, in Exhibit A--can you tell me looking at Exhibit A
whether or not these boxes were over near the left-hand corner of
the sill, to the left of the sill, looking out of the window, at the
center, or over at the right.
Mr. STUDEBAKER. They were in the left-hand corner of the window looking
towards Elm Street.
Mr. BALL. How close to the edge of the sill?
Mr. STUDEBAKER. Right at the edge.
Mr. BALL. Right at the edge?
Mr. STUDEBAKER. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Now, you show an indentation or a mark on the top of the box
shown in Exhibit A, is that a little Rolling Reader box?
Mr. STUDEBAKER. Yes, sir.