Mr. BALL. What did the man say?
Mr. APPLIN. Well, he just stood up.
Mr. BALL. Did he say anything?
Mr. APPLIN. No, sir; I didn't hear him say anything at that time.
Mr. BALL. And what happened then?
Mr. APPLIN. Well, when he stood up, the officer stepped over to search
him down. The officer, Oswald, or the man, took a swing at him. When he
did, the officer grabbed him.
Mr. BALL. Took a swing at him with his fist?
Mr. APPLIN. Yes, sir; he did.
Mr. BALL. With his left or right?
Mr. APPLIN. Right fist.
Mr. BALL. Took a swing at him and what happened then?
Mr. APPLIN. Well, the officer, I heard him say, "Here he is." And
during the proceeding of that, I guess about 5 or 10 seconds later,
there was another--I think it was two officers, or one, passed me and
ran down there to him.
Mr. BALL. Did you see a gun?
Mr. APPLIN. Well, the gun didn't come into view until after about four
or five officers were there.
Mr. BALL. Then did you see a gun?
Mr. APPLIN. Yes, sir; but only--there was one gun. The pistol. It came
into view before any of the other officers got there.
Mr. BALL. That is what I mean. What do you say happened about that? Who
pulled a gun?
Mr. APPLIN. Well, anyhow, the officer was facing this way [indicating]
and Oswald was facing this way [indicating]. And then the gun was
pointed out that way [indicating].
Mr. BALL. Wait a minute. I can't follow you when you say it was "this
way," and "this way," sir. You told me that this officer asked Oswald
to stand up?
Mr. APPLIN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Did he stand up?
Mr. APPLIN. Yes, sir; he did.
Mr. BALL. Then did he put his hand some place on Oswald?