I was on the left. I would have been to the suspect's left-rear side.

Paul Bentley would have been to the right-rear side.

At this point this is the first time I remember encountering any

newspapermen or cameras, but as we walked into the lobby there was a

man shooting movies.

Mr. BELIN. Movies?

Mr. HILL. He was from channel 8, but who he was, I don't know. He was a

short, rather heavy-set fellow with kinky hair. This I remember about

him.

We walked the suspect out the right front or the north door. No, wait a

minute, we have lost our directions again. We walked him out the west

door of the theatre into a squad car, which was out front. Some of the

officers that were still outside had the crowd parted back to where

nobody got to us or to the suspect.

But there were shouts at this time from the crowd of, "That is him. We

ought to kill him. String him up. Hang him.", et cetera and so on.

Mr. BELIN. Any other calls from the crowd?

Mr. HILL. Not that I can recall. There was quite a bit of confusion,

but we kept moving.

Mr. BELIN. Let me stop you right there. You mentioned that when you

were coming down from the balcony to the first floor, or in the process

of going into the first floor, you heard an officer or someone yell

something along the effect, "I've got him."

Mr. HILL. Right.

Mr. BELIN. Did you hear anyone else yell or make any other statements?

First, I will ask you this. Did you hear the suspect make any statement

of any kind?

Mr. HILL. Not any distinguishable statement that I can specifically

recall. Later in the course of trying to piece this thing together for

a report, I believe it was McDonald and Hutson that stated, and we put

it in the report that way, that the suspect yelled, "This is it."

Mr. BELIN. Did you hear that with your own ears? That you can remember?

Mr. HILL. No, sir; not as a distinguishable specific "This is it," no.

As much confusion and all going on, I didn't distinguish that. Now if

we can back up a little bit to where we made the, got him handcuffed in

the theatre, before we started moving out with him, he started, Oswald

or the suspect at this point, we didn't know who he was, so we will

keep on calling him the suspect, started making statements about "I

want a lawyer. I know my rights. Typical police brutality. Why are you

doing this to me."

As as we continued to move him down the aisle out to the aisle dividing

the two sections, out into the lobby of the theatre, he began yelling

words similar to, "Typical police brutality."

And once we got actually outside the door of the theatre, from there

to the period of time that we got to the car, with all the crowd and

commotion and all, I don't recall any further statements of his until

we got in the car.

Mr. BELIN. All right, let me stop there before you testify about

getting into the car. Do you have anything else to add to the statement

prior to getting into the car?

Mr. HILL. Not that I can recall.

Mr. BELIN. Did you hear the suspect say anything while you were trying

to subdue him, or, "I am not resisting arrest?"

Mr. HILL. No; I don't recall a statement to that effect.

Mr. BELIN. Did you hear any officer say anything to the suspect?

Mr. HILL. About the time we got him subdued and handcuffed, I know that

Hutson asked me about did I hear the gun click.

Hutson was the one that was behind him and was pulling him backward,

off balance. He was probably, as near as I could determine from the

position, was probably the second officer to him.

In other words, McDonald made the initial contact, and then Hutson and

then probably Walker and Hawkins with Walker, and then Hawkins, in that

order, getting into the scuffle attempting to subdue him and keep him

from using the gun.

Mr. BELIN. What did you reply to this question?

Mr. HILL. I told him no. Because apparently this had happened in the

interim from the time of the first yell until I got there, and with the

scuffling of feet, unless you would be right at it, I don't know that

you would hear it.

Mr. BELIN. Did you hit the suspect at all?

Mr. HILL. No; I did not.

Mr. BELIN. Did anyone else hit the suspect?

Mr. HILL. No one that I know of. When we got him subdued, he had a

small laceration on the left eyebrow, and what appeared to be a bruise

on the upper-left eyebrow and down along his check, but an actual lick,

to see this done, I did not see.

Mr. BELIN. Did you hear any police officer make any remark such as

"Kill a policeman, will you," or something along that line?

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