Mr. WALKER. McDonald approached them from the----

Mr. BELIN. Right?

Mr. WALKER. Right center aisle, and I approached from the left center

aisle.

Mr. BELIN. Did you have your gun drawn?

Mr. WALKER. I had it drawn, and I put it back in my holster.

Mr. BELIN. Why did you do that?

Mr. WALKER. I had to search him. As I got up to him, we had him stand

up and we searched him with their hands up, and I had my gun in the

holster. I searched the one on the left, and McDonald searched the one

on the right.

Mr. BELIN. Were you looking at other people?

Mr. WALKER. I looked around. Of course, I didn't recognize anybody. I

didn't know who they were.

Mr. BELIN. Then what?

Mr. WALKER. I walked back up to the aisle that I had been going down,

and McDonald walked out the aisle he had been walking down, and we

approached the aisle where Oswald was sitting. McDonald approached him

from his aisle, and Hutson, which was in front of me on the same aisle,

had started in the seat toward Oswald, in the seat that runs behind him.

Mr. BELIN. You mean the row of seats that ran behind him?

Mr. WALKER. And he started down that way, and I was walking toward him

slightly behind him in the same row of seats that Oswald was sitting.

Mr. BELIN. So you approached Oswald from Oswald's left, and McDonald

approached Oswald from Oswald's right?

Mr. WALKER. That's right.

Mr. BELIN. Was Oswald sitting closer to McDonald, or you?

Mr. WALKER. Closer to McDonald. He was sitting in the third seat from

McDonald's aisle.

Mr. BELIN. All right, then, what happened?

Mr. WALKER. McDonald approached him, and he said, I don't know exactly,

I assumed he said, "Stand up!" And Oswald stood up.

Mr. BELIN. Did you hear Oswald say anything?

Mr. WALKER. No.

Mr. BELIN. Was Oswald facing you as he stood up?

Mr. WALKER. No; he faced McDonald.

Mr. BELIN. All right.

Mr. WALKER. He put his hand up, not exactly as you would raise your

hands to be searched, but more or less showing off his muscles, what I

call it, kind of hunching his shoulders at the same time, and McDonald

put his hand down to Oswald's pocket, it looked like to me, and

McDonald's head was tilted slightly to the right, looking down in the

right hand.

Mr. BELIN. Looking in whose?

Mr. WALKER. McDonald's right hand as he was searching, and he felt of

his pocket, and Oswald then hit him, it appeared, with his left hand

first, and then with his right hand. They was scuffling there, and

Officer Hutson and I ran toward the back of Oswald and Hutson threw his

arm around his neck, and I grabbed his left arm, and we threw him back

over the seat.

At this time I didn't see any gun that was involved. I don't know

whether we pulled Oswald away from McDonald for a split second or what,

but he was thrown back against the seat, and then the next thing I saw,

Oswald's hand was down on the gun in his belt there, and McDonald had

came forward again and was holding his, Oswald's hand.

Mr. BELIN. When you saw Oswald's hand by his belt, which hand did you

see by his belt?

Mr. WALKER. I saw his right hand. I had his left hand, you see.

Mr. BELIN. When you saw Oswald's hand by his belt, which hand did you

see then?

Mr. WALKER. He had ahold of the handle of it.

Mr. BELIN. Handle of what?

Mr. WALKER. The revolver.

Mr. BELIN. Was there a revolver there?

Mr. WALKER. Yes; there was.

Mr. BELIN. All right.

Mr. WALKER. And it stayed there for a second or two. He didn't get it

out. McDonald had come forward and was holding his hand.

Ray Hawkins was behind me to my left at that time, and whether or not

he came at the same time we did or not, but he was there, and there was

a detective.

Oswald had ahold of my shirt and he practically pulled off my nameplate

by gripping it with his hand, and I was bent over, and I was in an

awkward position, and I could see several hands on the gun.

The gun finally got out of his belt, and it was about waist high and

pointed out at about a 45° angle.

I turned around and I was holding Oswald trying to get his arm up

behind him in a hammerlock, and I heard it click. I turned around and

the gun was still pointing at approximately a 45° angle. Be pointed

slightly toward the screen, what I call.

Now Hawkins was in the general direction of the gun.

Mr. BELIN. When you heard a click, what kind of click was it?

Mr. WALKER. A real light click, real light.

Mr. BELIN. Was it a click of the seat?

Mr. WALKER. Well, I assume it was a click of a revolver on the shell,

and that is when the gun was doing the most moving around. It was

moving around in the general area, and they were still fighting. And

some one said, "Let go of the gun," and Oswald said, "I can't."

And a detective, I don't recall who it was, there were so many people

around by that time, the area was bursting with policemen, and it

appeared to me that he reached over and pulled the gun away from

everybody, pulled it away from everyone, best I can recall.

Mr. BELIN. Okay, what happened then?

Mr. WALKER. Ray Hawkins was on my left. He said, "Bring his arm

around," and said, "I have the handcuffs."

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