THE MILLS BILL.

_Question_. What, in your opinion, is the significance of the vote

on the Mills Bill recently passed in the House? In this I find

there were one hundred and sixty-two for it, and one hundred and

forty-nine against it; of these, two Republicans voted for, and

five Democrats against.

_Answer_. In the first place, I think it somewhat doubtful whether

the bill could have been passed if Mr. Randall had been well. His

sickness had much to do with this vote. Had he been present to

have taken care of his side, to have kept his forces in hand, he,

in my judgment, taking into consideration his wonderful knowledge

of parliamentary tactics, would have defeated this bill.

It is somewhat hard to get the average Democrat, in the absence of

his leader, to throw away the prospect of patronage. Most members

of Congress have to pay tolerably strict attention to their political

fences. The President, although clinging with great tenacity to

the phrase "civil service," has in all probability pulled every

string he could reach for the purpose of compelling the Democratic

members not only to stand in line, but to answer promptly to their

names. Every Democrat who has shown independence has been stepped

on just to the extent he could be reached; but many members, had

the leader been on the floor--and a leader like Randall--would have

followed him.

There are very few congressional districts in the United States not

intensely Democratic where the people want nothing protected.

There are a few districts where nothing grows except ancient

politics, where they cultivate only the memory of what never ought

to have been, where the subject of protection has not yet reached.

The impudence requisite to pass the Mills Bill is something

phenomenal. Think of the Representatives from Louisiana saying to

the ranchmen of the West and to the farmers of Ohio that wool must

be on the free list, but that for the sake of preserving the sugar

interest of Louisiana and a little portion of Texas, all the rest

of the United States must pay tribute.

Everybody admits that Louisiana is not very well adapted by nature

for raising sugar, for the reason that the cane has to be planted

every year, and every third year the frost puts in an appearance

just a little before the sugar. Now, while I think personally that

the tariff on sugar has stimulated the inventive genius of the

country to find other ways of producing that which is universally

needed; and while I believe that it will not be long until we shall

produce every pound of sugar that we consume, and produce it cheaper

than we buy it now, I am satisfied that in time and at no distant

day sugar will be made in this country extremely cheap, not only

from beets, but from sorghum and corn, and it may be from other

products. At the same time this is no excuse for Louisiana, neither

is it any excuse for South Carolina asking for a tariff on rice,

and at the same time wishing to leave some other industry in the

United States, in which many more millions have been invested,

absolutely without protection.

Understand, I am not opposed to a reasonable tariff on rice, provided

it is shown that we can raise rice in this country cheaply and at

a profit to such an extent as finally to become substantially

independent of the rest of the world. What I object to is the

impudence of the gentleman who is raising the rice objecting to

the protection of some other industry of far greater importance

than his.

After all, the whole thing must be a compromise. We must act

together for the common good. If we wish to make something at the

expense of another State we must allow that State to make something

at our expense, or at least we must be able to show that while it

is for our benefit it is also for the benefit of the country at

large. Everybody is entitled to have his own way up to the point

that his way interferes with somebody else. States are like

individuals--their rights are relative--they are subordinated to

the good of the whole country.

For many years it has been the American policy to do all that

reasonably could be done to foster American industry, to give scope

to American ingenuity and a field for American enterprise--in other

words, a future for the United States.

The Southern States were always in favor of something like free

trade. They wanted to raise cotton for Great Britain--raw material

for other countries. At that time their labor was slave labor,

and they could not hope ever to have skilled labor, because skilled

labor cannot be enslaved. The Southern people knew at that time

that if a man was taught enough of mathematics to understand

machinery, to run locomotives, to weave cloth; it he was taught

enough of chemistry even to color calico, it would be impossible

to keep him a slave. Education always was and always will be an

abolitionist. The South advocated a system of harmony with slavery,

in harmony with ignorance--that is to say, a system of free trade,

under which it might raise its raw material. It could not hope to

manufacture, because by making its labor intelligent enough to

manufacture it would lose it.

In the North, men are working for themselves, and as I have often

said, they were getting their hands and heads in partnership.

Every little stream that went singing to the sea was made to turn

a thousand wheels; the water became a spinner and a weaver; the

water became a blacksmith and ran a trip hammer; the water was

doing the work of millions of men. In other words, the free people

of the North were doing what free people have always done, going

into partnership with the forces of nature. Free people want good

tools, shapely, well made--tools with which the most work can be

done with the least strain.

Suppose the South had been in favor of protection; suppose that

all over the Southern country there had been workshops, factories,

machines of every kind; suppose that her people had been as ingenious

as the people of the North; suppose that her hands had been as deft

as those that had been accustomed to skilled labor; then one of

two things would have happened; either the South would have been

too intelligent to withdraw from the Union, or, having withdrawn,

it would have had the power to maintain its position. My opinion

is that is would have been too intelligent to withdraw.

When the South seceded it had no factories. The people of the

South had ability, but it was not trained in the direction then

necessary. They could not arm and equip their men; they could not

make their clothes; they could not provide them with guns, with

cannon, with ammunition, and with the countless implements of

destruction. They had not the ingenuity; they had not the means;

they could not make cars to carry their troops, or locomotives to

draw them; they had not in their armies the men to build bridges

or to supply the needed transportation. They had nothing but cotton

--that is to say, raw material. So that you might say that the

Rebellion has settled the question as to whether a country is better

off and more prosperous, and more powerful, and more ready for war,

that is filled with industries, or one that depends simply upon

the production of raw material.

There is another thing in this connection that should never be

forgotten--at least, not until after the election in November, and

then if forgotten, should be remembered at every subsequent election

--and that is, that the Southern Confederacy had in its Constitution

the doctrine of free trade. Among other things it was fighting

for free trade. As a matter of fact, John C. Calhoun was fighting

for free trade; the nullification business was in the interest of

free trade.

The Southern people are endeavoring simply to accomplish, with the

aid of New York, what they failed to accomplish on the field. The

South is as "solid" to-day as in 1863. It is now for free trade,

and it purposes to carry the day by the aid of one or two Northern

States. History is repeating itself. It was the same for many

years, up to the election of Abraham Lincoln.

Understand me, I do not blame the South for acting in accordance

with its convictions, but the North ought not to be misled. The

North ought to understand what the issue is. The South has a

different idea of government--it is afraid of what it calls

"centralization"--it is extremely sensitive about what are called

"State Rights" or the sovereignty of the State. But the North

believes in a Union that is united. The North does not expect to

have any interest antagonistic to the Union. The North has no

mental reservation. The North believes in the Government and in

the Federal system, and the North believes that when a State is

admitted into the Union it becomes a part--an integral part--of

the Nation; that there was a welding, that the State, so far as

sovereignty is concerned, is lost in the Union, and that the people

of that State become citizens of the whole country.

_Question_. I see that by the vote two of the five Democrats who

voted for protection, and one of the two Republicans who voted for

free trade, were New Yorkers. What do you think is the significance

of this fact in relation to the question as to whether New York

will join the South in the opposition to the industries of the

country?

_Answer_. In the city of New York there are a vast number of men

--importers, dealers in foreign articles, representatives of foreign

houses, of foreign interests, of foreign ideas. Of course most of

these people are in favor of free trade. They regard New York as

a good market; beyond that they have not the slightest interest in

the United States. They are in favor of anything that will give

them a large profit, or that will allow them to do the same business

with less capital, or that will do them any good without the

slightest regard as to what the effect may be on this country as

a nation. They come from all countries, and they expect to remain

here until their fortunes are made or lost and all their ideas are

moulded by their own interests. Then, there are a great many

natives who are merchants in New York and who deal in foreign goods,

and they probably think--some of them--that it would be to their

interest to have free trade, and they will probably vote according

to the ledger. With them it is a question of bookkeeping. Their

greed is too great to appreciate the fact that to impoverish

customers destroys trade.

At the same time, New York, being one of the greatest manufacturing

States of the world, will be for protection, and the Democrats of

New York who voted for protection did so, not only because the

believed in it themselves, but because their constituents believe

in it, and the Republicans who voted the other way must have

represented some district where the foreign influence controls.

The people of this State will protect their own industries.

_Question_. What will be the fate of the Mills Bill in the Senate?

_Answer_. I think that unless the Senate has a bill prepared

embodying Republican ideals, a committee should be appointed, not

simply to examine the Mills Bill, but to get the opinions and the

ideas of the most intelligent manufacturers and mechanics in this

country. Let the questions be thoroughly discussed, and let the

information thus obtained be given to the people; let it be published

from day to day; let the laboring man have his say, let the

manufacturer give his opinion; let the representatives of the

principal industries be heard, so that we may vote intelligently,

so that the people may know what they are doing.

A great many industries have been attacked. Let them defend

themselves. Public property should not be taken for Democratic

use without due process of law.

Certainly it is not the business of a Republican Senate to pull

the donkey of the Democrats out of the pit; the dug the pit, and

we have lost no donkey.

I do not think the Senate called upon to fix up this Mills Bill,

to rectify its most glaring mistakes, and then for the sake of

saving a little, give up a great deal. What we have got is safe

until the Democrats have the power to pass a bill. We can protect

our rights by not passing their bills. In other words, we do not

wish to practice any great self-denial simply for the purpose of

insuring Democratic success. If the bill is sent back to the House,

no matter in what form, if it still has the name "Mills Bill" I

think the Democrats will vote for it simply to get out of their

trouble. They will have the President's message left.

But I do hope that the Senate will investigate this business. It

is hardly fair to ask the Senate to take decided and final action

upon this bill in the last days of the session. There is no time

to consider it unless it is instantly defeated. This would probably

be a safe course, and yet, by accident, there may be some good

things in this bill that ought to be preserved, and certainly the

Democratic party ought to regard it as a compliment to keep it long

enough to read it.

The interests involved are great--there are the commercial and

industrial interests of sixty millions of people. These questions

touch the prosperity of the Republic. Every person under the flag

has a direct interest in the solution of these questions. The end

that is now arrived at, the policy now adopted, may and probably

will last for many years. One can hardly overestimate the immensity

of the interests at stake. A man dealing with his own affairs

should take time to consider; he should give himself the benefit

of his best judgment. When acting for others he should do no less.

The Senators represent, or should represent, not only their own

views, but above these things they represent the material interests

of their constituents, of their States, and to this trust they must

be true, and in order to be true, they must understand the material

interests of their States, and in order to be faithful, they must

understand how the proposed changes in the tariff will affect these

interests. This cannot be done in a moment.

In my judgment, the best way is for the Senate, through the proper

committee, to hear testimony, to hear the views of intelligent men,

of interested men, of prejudiced men--that is to say, they should

look at the question from all sides.

_Question_. The Senate is almost tied; do you think that any

Republicans are likely to vote in the interest of the President's

policy at this session?

_Answer_. Of course I cannot pretend to answer that question from

any special knowledge, or on any information that others are not

in possession of. My idea is simply this: That a majority of the

Senators are opposed to the President's policy. A majority of the

Senate will, in my judgment, sustain the Republican policy; that

is to say, they will stand by the American system. A majority of

the Senate, I think, know that it will be impossible for us to

compete in the markets of the world with those nations in which

labor is far cheaper than it is in the United States, and that when

you make the raw material just the same, you have not overcome the

difference in labor, and until this is overcome we cannot successfully

compete in the markets of the world with those countries where

labor is cheaper. And there are only two ways to overcome this

difficulty--either the price of labor must go up in the other

countries or must go down in this. I do not believe that a majority

of the Senate can be induced to vote for a policy that will decrease

the wages of American workingmen.

There is this curious thing: The President started out blowing

the trumpet of free trade. It gave, as the Democrats used to say,

"no uncertain sound." He blew with all his might. Messrs. Morrison,

Carlisle, Mills and many others joined the band. When the Mills

Bill was introduced it was heralded as the legitimate offspring of

the President's message. When the Democratic convention at St.

Louis met, the declaration was made that the President's message,

the Mills Bill, the Democratic platform of 1884 and the Democratic

platform of 1888, were all the same--all segments of one circle;

in fact, they were like modern locomotives--"all the parts

interchangeable." As soon as the Republican convention met, made

its platform and named its candidates, it is not free trade, but

freer trade; and now Mr. Mills, in the last speech that he was

permitted to make in favor of his bill, endeavored to show that it

was a high protective tariff measure.

This is what lawyers call "a departure in pleading." That is to

say, it is a case that ought to be beaten on demurrer.

--_New York Press_, July 29, 1888.

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