PROTECTION AND FREE TRADE.

_Question_. Do you take much interest in politics, Colonel

Ingersoll?

_Answer_. I take as much interest in politics as a Republican

ought who expects nothing and who wants nothing for himself. I

want to see this country again controlled by the Republican party.

The present administration has not, in my judgment, the training

and the political intelligence to decide upon the great economic

and financial questions. There are a great many politicians and

but few statesmen. Here, where men have to be elected every two

or six years, there is hardly time for the officials to study

statesmanship--they are busy laying pipes and fixing fences for

the next election. Each one feels much like a monkey at a fair,

on the top of a greased pole, and puts in the most of his time

dodging stones and keeping from falling. I want to see the party

in power best qualified, best equipped, to administer the

Government.

_Question_. What do you think will be the particular issue of the

coming campaign?

_Answer_. That question has already been answered. The great

question will be the tariff. Mr. Cleveland imagines that the

surplus can be gotten rid of by a reduction of the tariff. If the

reduction is so great as to increase the demand for foreign articles,

the probability is that the surplus will be increased. The surplus

can surely be done away with by either of two methods; first make

the tariff prohibitory; second, have no tariff. But if the tariff

is just at that point where the foreign goods could pay it and yet

undersell the American so as to stop home manufactures, then the

surplus would increase.

As a rule we can depend on American competition to keep prices at

a reasonable rate. When that fails we have at all times the

governing power in our hands--that is to say, we can reduce the

tariff. In other words, the tariff is not for the benefit of the

manufacturer--the protection is not for the mechanic or the capitalist

--it is for the whole country. I do not believe in protecting silk

simply to help the town of Paterson, but I am for the protection

of the manufacture, because, in my judgment, it helps the entire

country, and because I know that it has given us a far better

article of silk at a far lower price than we obtained before the

establishment of those factories.

I believe in the protection of every industry that needs it, to

the end that we may make use of every kind of brain and find use

for all human capacities. In this way we will produce greater and

better people. A nation of agriculturalists or a nation of mechanics

would become narrow and small, but where everything is done, then

the brain is cultivated on every side, from artisan to artist.

That is to say, we become thinkers as well as workers; muscle and

mind form a partnership.

I don't believe that England is particularly interested in the

welfare of the United States. It never seemed probable to me that

men like Godwin Smith sat up nights fearing that we in some way

might injure ourselves. To use a phrase that will be understood

by theologians at least, we ought to "copper" all English advice.

The free traders say that there ought to be no obstructions placed

by governments between buyers and sellers. If we want to make the

trade, of course there should be no obstruction, but if we prefer

that Americans should trade with Americans--that Americans should

make what Americans want--then, so far as trading with foreigners

is concerned, there ought to be an obstruction.

I am satisfied that the United States could get along if the rest

of the world should be submerged, and I want to see this country

in such a condition that it can be independent of the rest of

mankind.

There is more mechanical genius in the United States than in the

rest of the world, and this genius has been fostered and developed

by protection. The Democracy wish to throw all this away--to make

useless this skill, this ingenuity, born of generations of application

and thought. These deft and marvelous hands that create the

countless things of use and beauty to be worth no more than the

common hands of ignorant delvers and shovelers. To the extent that

thought is mingled with labor, labor becomes honorable and its

burden lighter.

Thousands of millions of dollars have been invested on the faith

of this policy--millions and millions of people are this day earning

their bread by reason of protection, and they are better housed

and better fed and better clothed than any other workmen on the

globe.

The intelligent people of this country will not be satisfied with

President Cleveland's platform--with his free trade primer. They

believe in good wages for good work, and they know that this is

the richest nation in the world. The Republic is worth at least

sixty billion dollars. This vast sum is the result of labor, and

this labor has been protected either directly or indirectly. This

vast sum has been made by the farmer, the mechanic, the laborer,

the miner, the inventor.

Protection has given work and wages to the mechanic and a market

to the farmer. The interests of all laborers in America--all men

who work--are identical. If the farmer pays more for his plow he

gets more for his plowing. In old times, when the South manufactured

nothing and raised only raw material--for the reason that its labor

was enslaved and could not be trusted with education enough to

become skillful--it was in favor of free trade; it wanted to sell

the raw material to England and buy the manufactured article where

it could buy the cheapest. Even under those circumstances it was

a short-sighted and unpatriotic policy. Now everything is changing

in the South. They are beginning to see that he who simply raises

raw material is destined to be forever poor. For instance, the

farmer who sells corn will never get rich; the farmer should sell

pork and beef and horses. So a nation, a State, that parts with

its raw material, loses nearly all the profits, for the reason that

the profit rises with the skill requisite to produce. It requires

only brute strength to raise cotton; it requires something more to

spin it, to weave it, and the more beautiful the fabric the greater

the skill, and consequently the higher the wages and the greater

the profit. In other words, the more thought is mingled with labor

the more valuable is the result.

Besides all this, protection is the mother of economy; the cheapest

at last, no matter whether the amount paid is less or more. It is

far better for us to make glass than to sell sand to other countries;

the profit on sand will be exceedingly small.

The interests of this country are united; they depend upon each

other. You destroy one and the effect upon all the rest may be

disastrous. Suppose we had free trade to-day, what would become

of the manufacturing interests to-morrow? The value of property

would fall thousands of millions of dollars in an instant. The

fires would die out in thousands and thousands of furnaces,

innumerable engines would stop, thousands and thousands would stop

digging coal and iron and steel. What would the city that had been

built up by the factories be worth? What would be the effect on

farms in that neighborhood? What would be the effect on railroads,

on freights, on business--what upon the towns through which they

passed? Stop making iron in Pennsylvania, and the State would be

bankrupt in an hour. Give us free trade, and New Jersey, Connecticut

and many other States would not be worth one dollar an acre.

If a man will think of the connection between all industries--of

the dependence and inter-dependence of each on all; of the subtle

relations between all human pursuits--he will see that to destroy

some of the grand interest makes financial ruin and desolation.

I am not talking now about a tariff that is too high, because that

tariff does not produce a surplus--neither am I asking to have that

protected which needs no protection--I am only insisting that all

the industries that have been fostered and that need protection

should be protected, and that we should turn our attention to the

interests of our own country, letting other nations take care of

themselves. If every American would use only articles produced by

Americans--if they would wear only American cloth, only American

silk--if we would absolutely stand by each other, the prosperity

of this nation would be the marvel of human history. We can live

at home, and we have now the ingenuity, the intelligence, the

industry to raise from nature everything that a nation needs.

_Question_. What have you to say about the claim that Mr. Cleveland

does not propose free trade?

_Answer_. I suppose that he means what he said. His argument was

all for free trade, and he endeavored to show to the farmer that

he lost altogether more money by protection, because he paid a

higher price for manufactured articles and received no more for

what he had to sell. This certainly was an argument in favor of

free trade. And there is no way to decrease the surplus except to

prohibit the importation of foreign articles, which certainly Mr.

Cleveland is not in favor of doing, or to reduce the tariff to a

point so low that no matter how much may be imported the surplus

will be reduced. If the message means anything it means free trade,

and if there is any argument in it it is an argument in favor of

absolutely free trade. The party, not willing to say "free trade"

uses the word "reform." This is simply a mask and a pretence.

The party knows that the President made a mistake. The party,

however, is so situated that it cannot get rid of Cleveland, and

consequently must take him with his mistake--they must take him

with his message, and then show that all he intended by "free trade"

was "reform."

_Question_. Who do you think ought to be nominated at Chicago?

_Answer_. Personally, I am for General Gresham. I am saying

nothing against the other prominent candidates. They have their

friends, and many of them are men of character and capacity, and

would make good Presidents. But I know of no man who has a better

record than Gresham, and of no man who, in my judgment, would

receive a larger number of votes. I know of no Republican who

would not support Judge Gresham. I have never heard one say that

he had anything against him or know of any reason why he should

not be voted for. He is a man of great natural capacity. He is

candid and unselfish. He has for many years been engaged in the

examination and decision of important questions, of good principles,

and consequently he has a trained mind. He knows how to take hold

of a question, to get at a fact, to discover in a multitude of

complications the real principle--the heart of the case. He has

always been a man of affairs. He is not simply a judge--that is

to say, a legal pair of scales--he knows the effect of his decision

on the welfare of communities--he is not governed entirely by

precedents--he has opinions of his own. In the next place, he is

a man of integrity in all the relations of life. He is not a seeker

after place, and, so far as I know, he has done nothing for the

purpose of inducing any human being to favor his nomination. I

have never spoken to him on the subject.

In the West he has developed great strength, in fact, his popularity

has astonished even his best friends. The great mass of people

want a perfectly reliable man--one who will be governed by his best

judgment and by a desire to do the fair and honorable thing. It

has been stated that the great corporations might not support him

with much warmth for the reason that he has failed to decide certain

cases in their favor. I believe that he has decided the law as he

believed it to be, and that he has never been influenced in the

slightest degree, by the character, position, or the wealth of the

parties before him. It may be that some of the great financiers,

the manipulators, the creators of bonds and stocks, the blowers of

financial bubbles, will not support him and will not contribute

any money for the payment of election expenses, because they are

perfectly satisfied that they could not make any arrangements with

him to get the money back, together with interest thereon, but the

people of this country are intelligent enough to know what that

means, and they will be patriotic enough to see to it that no man

needs to bow or bend or cringe to the rich to attain the highest

place.

The possibility is that Mr. Blaine could have been nominated had

he not withdrawn, but having withdrawn, of course the party is

released. Others were induced to become candidates, and under

these circumstances Mr. Blaine has hardly the right to change his

mind, and certainly other persons ought not to change it for him.

_Question_. Do you think that the friends of Gresham would support

Blaine if he should be nominated?

_Answer_. Undoubtedly they would. If they go into convention they

must abide the decision. It would be dishonorable to do that which

you would denounce in others. Whoever is nominated ought to receive

the support of all good Republicans. No party can exist that will

not be bound by its own decision. When the platform is made, then

is the time to approve or reject. The conscience of the individual

cannot be bound by the action of party, church or state. But when

you ask a convention to nominate your candidate, you really agree

to stand by the choice of the convention. Principles are of more

importance than candidates. As a rule, men who refuse to support

the nominee, while pretending to believe in the platform, are giving

an excuse for going over to the enemy. It is a pretence to cover

desertion. I hope that whoever may be nominated at Chicago will

receive the cordial support of the entire party, of every man who

believes in Republican principles, who believes in good wages for

good work, and has confidence in the old firms of "Mind and Muscle,"

of "Head and Hand."

--_New York Press_, May 27, 1888.

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