REPLY TO THE REV. B. F. MORSE.*

[* At the usual weekly meeting of the Baptist ministers at

the Publication Rooms yesterday, the Rev. Dr. B. F. Morse

read an essay on "Christianity vs. Materialism." His

contention was that all nature showed that design, not

evolution, was its origin.

In his concluding remarks Dr. Morse said that he knew from

unquestionable authority, that Robert G. Ingersoll did not

believe what he uttered in his lectures, and that to get out

of a financial embarrassment he looked around for a money

making scheme that could be put into immediate execution.

To lecture against Christianity was the most rapid way of

giving him the needed cash and, what was quite as acceptable

to him, at the same time, notoriety.]

This aquatic or web-footed theologian who expects to go to heaven

by diving is not worth answering. Nothing can be more idiotic than

to answer an argument by saying he who makes it does not believe

it. Belief has nothing to do with the cogency or worth of an

argument. There is another thing. This man, or rather this

minister, says that I attacked Christianity simply to make money.

Is it possible that, after preachers have had the field for eighteen

hundred years, the way to make money is to attack the clergy? Is

this intended as a slander against me or the ministers?

The trouble is that my arguments cannot be answered. All the

preachers in the world cannot prove that slavery is better than

liberty. They cannot show that all have not an equal right to

think. They cannot show that all have not an equal right to express

their thoughts. They cannot show that a decent God will punish a

decent man for making the best guess he can. This is all there is

about it.

--_The Herald_, New York, December 14, 1886.

INGERSOLL ON McGLYNN.

The attitude of the Roman Catholic Church in Dr. McGlynn's case is

consistent with the history and constitution of the Catholic Church

--perfectly consistent with its ends, its objects, and its means--

and just as perfectly inconsistent with intellectual liberty and

the real civilization of the human race.

When a man becomes a Catholic priest, he has been convinced that

he ought not to think for himself upon religious questions. He

has become convinced that the church is the only teacher--that he

has a right to think only to enforce its teachings. From that

moment he is a moral machine. The chief engineer resides at Rome,

and he gives his orders through certain assistant engineers until

the one is reached who turns the crank, and the machine has nothing

to do one way or the other. This machine is paid for giving up

his liberty by having machines under him who have also given up

theirs. While somebody else turns his crank, he has the pleasure

of turning a crank belonging to somebody below him.

Of course, the Catholic Church is supposed to be the only perfect

institution on earth. All others are not only imperfect, but

unnecessary. All others have been made either by man, or by the

Devil, or by a partnership, and consequently cannot be depended

upon for the civilization of man.

The Catholic Church gets its power directly from God, and is the

only institution now in the world founded by God. There was never

any other, so far as I know, except polygamy and slavery and a

crude kind of monarchy, and they have been, for the most part,

abolished.

The Catholic Church must be true to itself. It must claim everything,

and get what it can. It alone is infallible. It alone has all

the wisdom of this world. It alone has the right to exist. All

other interests are secondary. To be a Catholic is of the first

importance. Human liberty is nothing. Wealth, position, food,

clothing, reputation, happiness--all these are less than worthless

compared with what the Catholic Church promises to the man who will

throw all these away.

A priest must preach what his bishop tells him. A bishop must

preach what his archbishop tells him. The pope must preach what

he says God tells him.

Dr. McGlynn cannot make a compromise with the Catholic Church. It

never compromises when it is in the majority.

I do not mean by this that the Catholic Church is worse than any

other. All are alike in this regard. Every sect, no matter how

insignificant; every church, no matter how powerful, asks precisely

the same thing from every member--that is to say, a surrender of

intellectual freedom. The Catholic Church wants the same as the

Baptist, the Presbyterian, and the Methodist--it wants the whole

earth. It is ambitious to be the one supreme power. It hopes to

see the world upon its knees, with all its tongues thrust out for

wafers. It has the arrogance of humility and the ferocity of

universal forgiveness. In this respect it resembles every other

sect. Every religion is a system of slavery.

Of course, the religionists say that they do not believe in

persecution; that they do not believe in burning and hanging and

whipping or loading with chains a man simply because he is an

Infidel. They are willing to leave all this with God, knowing that

a being of infinite goodness will inflict all these horrors and

tortures upon an honest man who differs with the church.

In case Dr. McGlynn is deprived of his priestly functions, it is

hard to say what effect it will have upon his church and the labor

party in the country.

So long as a man believes that a church has eternal joy in store

for him, so long as he believes that a church holds within its hand

the keys of heaven and hell, it will be hard to make him trade off

the hope of everlasting happiness for a few good clothes and a

little good food and higher wages here. He finally thinks that,

after all, he had better work for less and go a little hungry, and

be an angel forever.

I hope, however, that a good many people who have been supporting

the Catholic Church by giving tithes of the wages of weariness will

see, and clearly see, that Catholicism is not their friend; that

the church cannot and will not support them; that, on the contrary,

they must support the church. I hope they will see that all the

prayers have to be paid for, although not one has ever been answered.

I hope they will perceive that the church is on the side of wealth

and power, that the mitre is the friend of the crown, that the

altar is the sworn brother of the throne. I hope they will finally

know that the church cares infinitely more for the money of the

millionaire than for the souls of the poor.

Of course, there are thousands of individual exceptions. I am

speaking of the church as an institution, as a corporation--and

when I say the church, I include all churches. It is said of

corporations in general, that they have no soul, and it may truthfully

be said of the church that it has less than any other. It lives

on alms. It gives nothing for what it gets. It has no sympathy.

Beggars never weep over the misfortunes of other beggars.

Nothing could give me more pleasure than to see the Catholic Church

on the side of human freedom; nothing more pleasure than to see

the Catholics of the world--those who work and weep and toil--

sensible enough to know that all the money paid for superstition

is worse than lost. I wish they could see that the counting of

beads, and the saying of prayers and celebrating of masses, and

all the kneelings and censer-swingings and fastings and bell-ringing,

amount to less than nothing--that all these things tend only to

the degradation of mankind. It is hard, I know, to find an antidote

for a poison that was mingled with a mother's milk.

The laboring masses, so far as the Catholics are concerned, are

filled with awe and wonder and fear about the church. This fear

began to grow while they were being rocked in their cradles, and

they still imagine that the church has some mysterious power; that

it is in direct communication with some infinite personality that

could, if it desired, strike then dead, or damn their souls forever.

Persons who have no such belief, who care nothing for popes or

priests or churches or heavens or hells or devils or gods, have

very little idea of the power of fear.

The old dogmas filled the brain with strange monsters. The soul

of the orthodox Christian gropes and wanders and crawls in a kind

of dungeon, where the strained eyes see fearful shapes, and the

frightened flesh shrinks from the touch of serpents.

The good part of Christianity--that is to say, kindness, morality

--will never go down. The cruel part ought to go down. And by

the cruel part I mean the doctrine of eternal punishment--of allowing

the good to suffer for the bad--allowing innocence to pay the debt

of guilt. So the foolish part of Christianity--that is to say,

the miraculous--will go down. The absurd part must perish. But

there will be no war about it as there was in France. Nobody

believes enough in the foolish part of Christianity now to fight

for it. Nobody believes with intensity enough in miracles to

shoulder a musket. There is probably not a Christian in New York

willing to fight for any story, no matter if the story is so old

that it is covered with moss. No mentally brave and intelligent

man believes in miracles, and no intelligent man cares whether

there was a miracle or not, for the reason that every intelligent

man knows that the miraculous has no possible connection with the

moral. "Thou shalt not steal," is just as good a commandment if

it should turn out that the flood was a drouth. "Thou shalt not

murder," is a good and just and righteous law, and whether any

particular miracle was ever performed or not has nothing to do with

the case. There is no possible relation between these things.

I am on the side not only of the physically oppressed, but of the

mentally oppressed. I hate those who put lashes on the body, and

I despise those who put the soul in chains. In other words, I am

in favor of liberty. I do not wish that any man should be the

slave of his fellow-men, or that the human race should be the slaves

of any god, real or imaginary. Man has the right to think for

himself, to work for himself, to take care of himself, to get bread

for himself, to get a home for himself. He has a right to his own

opinion about God, and heaven and hell; the right to learn any art

or mystery or trade; the right to work for whom he will, for what

he will, and when he will.

The world belongs to the human race. There is to be no war in this

country on religious opinions, except a war of words--a conflict

of thoughts, of facts; and in that conflict the hosts of superstition

will go down. They may not be defeated to-day, or to-morrow, or

next year, or during this century, but they are growing weaker day

by day.

This priest, McGlynn, has the courage to stand up against the

propaganda. What would have been his fate a few years ago? What

would have happened to him in Spain, in Portugal, in Italy--in any

other country that was Catholic--only a few years ago? Yet he

stands here in New York, he refuses to obey God's vicegerent; he

freely gives his mind to an archbishop; he holds the holy Inquisition

in contempt. He has done a great thing. He is undoubtedly an

honest man. He never should have been a Catholic. He has no

business in that church. He has ideas of his own--theories, and

seems to be governed by principles. The Catholic Church is not

his place. If he remains, he must submit, he must kneel in the

humility of abjectness; he must receive on the back of his independence

the lashes of the church. If he remains, he must ask the forgiveness

of slaves for having been a man. If he refuses to submit, the

church will not have him. He will be driven to take his choice--

to remain a member, humiliated, shunned, or go out into the great,

free world a citizen of the Republic, with the rights, responsibilities,

and duties of an American citizen.

I believe that Dr. McGlynn is an honest man, and that he really

believes in the land theories of Mr. George. I have no confidence

in his theories, but I have confidence that he is actuated by the

best and noblest motives.

_Question_. Are you to go on the lecture platform again?

_Answer_. I expect to after a while. I am now waiting for the

church to catch up. I got so far ahead that I began almost to

sympathize with the clergy. They looked so helpless and talked in

such a weak, wandering, and wobbling kind of way that I felt as

though I had been cruel. From the papers I see that they are busy

trying to find out who the wife of Cain was. I see that the Rev.

Dr. Robinson, of New York, is now wrestling with that problem. He

begins to be in doubt whether Adam was the first man, whether Eve

was the first woman; suspects that there were other races, and that

Cain did not marry his sister, but somebody else's sister, and that

the somebody else was not Cain's brother. One can hardly over-

estimate the importance of these questions, they have such a direct

bearing on the progress of the world. If it should turn out that

Adam was the first man, or that he was not the first man, something

might happen--I am not prepared to say what, but it might.

It is a curious kind of a spectacle to see a few hundred people

paying a few thousand dollars a year for the purpose of hearing

these great problems discussed: "Was Adam the first man?" "Who

was Cain's wife?" "Has anyone seen a map of the land of Nod?"

"Where are the four rivers that ran murmuring through the groves

of Paradise?" "Who was the snake? How did he walk? What language

did he speak?" This turns a church into a kind of nursery, makes

a cradle of each pew, and gives to each member a rattle with which

he can amuse what he calls his mind.

The great theologians of Andover--the gentlemen who wear the brass

collars furnished by the dead founder--have been disputing among

themselves as to what is to become of the heathen who fortunately

died before meeting any missionary from that institution. One can

almost afford to be damned hereafter for the sake of avoiding the

dogmas of Andover here. Nothing more absurd and childish has ever

happened--not in the intellectual, but in the theological world.

There is no need of the Freethinkers saying anything at present.

The work is being done by the church members themselves. They are

beginning to ask questions of the clergy. They are getting tired

of the old ideas--tired of the consolations of eternal pain--tired

of hearing about hell--tired of hearing the Bible quoted or talked

about--tired of the scheme of redemption--tired of the Trinity, of

the plenary inspiration of the barbarous records of a barbarous

people--tired of the patriarchs and prophets--tired of Daniel and

the goats with three horns, and the image with the clay feet, and

the little stone that rolled down the hill--tired of the mud man

and the rib woman--tired of the flood of Noah, of the astronomy of

Joshua, the geology of Moses--tired of Kings and Chronicles and

Lamentations--tired of the lachrymose Jeremiah--tired of the

monstrous, the malicious, and the miraculous. In short, they are

beginning to think. They have bowed their necks to the yoke of

ignorance and fear and impudence and superstition, until they are

weary. They long to be free. They are tired of the services--

tired of the meaningless prayers--tired of hearing each other say,

"Hear us, good Lord"--tired of the texts, tired of the sermons,

tired of the lies about spontaneous combustion as a punishment for

blasphemy, tired of the bells, and they long to hear the doxology

of superstition. They long to have Common Sense lift its hands in

benediction and dismiss the congregation.

--_Brooklyn Citizen_, April, 1886.

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