WENDELL PHILLIPS, FITZ JOHN PORTER AND BISMARCK.

_Question_. Are you seeking to quit public lecturing on religious

questions?

_Answer_. As long as I live I expect now and then to say my say

against the religious bigotry and cruelty of the world. As long

as the smallest coal is red in hell I am going to keep on. I never

had the slightest idea of retiring. I expect the church to do the

retiring.

_Question_. What do you think of Wendell Phillips as an orator?

_Answer_. He was a very great orator--one of the greatest that

the world has produced. He rendered immense service in the cause

of freedom. He was in the old days the thunderbolt that pierced

the shield of the Constitution. One of the bravest soldiers that

ever fought for human rights was Wendell Phillips.

_Question_. What do you think of the action of Congress on Fitz

John Porter?

_Answer_. I think Congress did right. I think they should have

taken this action long before. There was a question of his guilt,

and he should have been given the benefit of a doubt. They say he

could have defeated Longstreet. There are some people, you know,

who would have it that an army could be whipped by a good general

with six mules and a blunderbuss. But we do not regard those

people. They know no more about it than a lady who talked to me

about Porter's case. She argued the question of Porter's guilt

for half an hour. I showed her where she was all wrong. When she

found she was beaten she took refuge with "Oh, well, anyhow he had

no genius." Well, if every man is to be shot who has no genius,

I want to go into the coffin business.

_Question_. What, in your judgment, is necessary to be done to

insure Republican success this fall?

_Answer_. It is only necessary for the Republican party to stand

by its principles. We must be in favor of protecting American

labor not only, but of protecting American capital, and we must be

in favor of civil rights, and must advocate the doctrine that the

Federal Government must protect all citizens. I am in favor of a

tariff, not simply to raise a revenue--that I regard as incidental.

The Democrats regard protection as incidental. The two principles

should be, protection to American industry and protection to American

citizens. So that, after all, there is but one issue--protection.

As a matter of fact, that is all a government is for--to protect.

The Republican party is stronger to-day than it was four years ago.

The Republican party stands for the progressive ideas of the American

people. It has been said that the administration will control the

Southern delegates. I do not believe it. This administration has

not been friendly to the Southern Republicans, and my opinion is

there will be as much division in the Southern as in the Northern

States. I believe Blaine will be a candidate, and I do not believe

the Prohibitionists will put a ticket in the field, because they

have no hope of success.

_Question_. What do you think generally of the revival of the

bloody shirt? Do you think the investigations of the Republicans

of the Danville and Copiah massacres will benefit them?

_Answer_. Well, I am in favor of the revival of that question just

as often as a citizen of the Republic is murdered on account of

his politics. If the South is sick of that question, let it stop

persecuting men because they are Republicans. I do not believe,

however, in simply investigating the question and then stopping

after the guilty ones are found. I believe in indicting them,

trying them, and convicting them. If the Government can do nothing

except investigate, we might as well stop, and admit that we have

no government. Thousands of people think that it is almost vulgar

to take the part of the poor colored people in the South. What

part should you take if not that of the weak? The strong do not

need you. And I can tell the Southern people now, that as long as

they persecute for opinion's sake they will never touch the reins

of political power in this country.

_Question_. How do you regard the action of Bismarck in returning

the Lasker resolutions? Was it the result of his hatred of the

Jews?

_Answer_. Bismarck opposed a bill to do away with the disabilities

of the Jews on the ground that Prussia is a Christian nation,

founded for the purpose of spreading the gospel of Jesus Christ.

I presume that it was his hatred of the Jews that caused him to

return the resolutions. Bismarck should have lived several centuries

ago. He belongs to the Dark Ages. He is a believer in the sword

and the bayonet--in brute force. He was loved by Germany simply

because he humiliated France. Germany gave her liberty for revenge.

It is only necessary to compare Bismarck with Gambetta to see what

a failure he really is. Germany was victorious and took from France

the earnings of centuries; and yet Germany is to-day the least

prosperous nation in Europe. France was prostrate, trampled into

the earth, robbed, and yet, guided by Gambetta, is to-day the most

prosperous nation in Europe. This shows the difference between

brute force and brain.

--_The Times_, Chicago, Illinois, February 21, 1884.

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