[* Rev. Isaac J. Lansing of Meriden, Conn., recently
denounced Col. Robert G. Ingersoll from the pulpit of the
Meriden Methodist Church, and had the Opera House closed
against him. This led a _Union_ reporter to show Colonel
Ingersoll what Mr. Lansing had said and to interrogate him
with the following result.]
_Question_. Did you favor the sending of obscene matter through
the mails as alleged by the Rev. Mr. Lansing?
_Answer_. Of course not, and no honest man ever thought that I
did. This charge is too malicious and silly to be answered. Mr.
Lansing knows better. He has made this charge many times and he
will make it again.
_Question_. Is it a fact that there are thousands of clergymen in
the country whom you would fear to meet in fair debate?
_Answer_. No; the fact is I would like to meet them all in one.
The pulpit is not burdened with genius. There a few great men
engaged in preaching, but they are not orthodox. I cannot conceive
that a Freethinker has anything to fear from the pulpit, except
misrepresentation. Of course, there are thousands of ministers
too small to discuss with--ministers who stand for nothing in the
church--and with such clergymen I cannot afford to discuss anything.
If the Presbyterians, or the Congregationalists, or the Methodists
would select some man, and endorse him as their champion, I would
like to meet him in debate. Such a man I will pay to discuss with
me. I will give him most excellent wages, and pay all the expenses
at the discussion besides. There is but one safe course for the
ministers--they must assert. They must declare. They must swear
to it and stick to it, but they must not try to reason.
_Question_. You have never seen Rev. Mr. Lansing. To the people
of Meriden and thereabouts he is well-known. Judging from what
has been told you of his utterances and actions, what kind of a
man would you take him to be?
_Answer_. I would take him to be a Christian. He talks like one,
and he acts like one. If Christianity is right, Lansing is right.
If salvation depends upon belief, and if unbelievers are to be
eternally damned, then an Infidel has no right to speak. He should
not be allowed to murder the souls of his fellow-men. Lansing does
the best he knows how. He thinks that God hates an unbeliever,
and he tries to act like God. Lansing knows that he must have the
right to slander a man whom God is to eternally damn.
_Question_. Mr. Lansing speaks of you as a wolf coming with fangs
sharpened by three hundred dollars a night to tear the lambs of
his flock. What do you say to that?
_Answer_. All I have to say is, that I often get three times that
amount, and sometimes much more. I guess his lambs can take care
of themselves. I am not very fond of mutton anyway. Such talk
Mr. Lansing ought to be ashamed of. The idea that he is a shepherd
--that he is on guard--is simply preposterous. He has few sheep
in his congregation that know as little on the wolf question as
he does. He ought to know that his sheep support him--his sheep
protect him; and without the sheep poor Lansing would be devoured
by the wolves himself.
_Question_. Shall you sue the Opera House management for breach
of contract?
_Answer_. I guess not; but I may pay Lansing something for
advertising my lecture. I suppose Mr. Wilcox (who controls the
Opera House) did what he thought was right. I hear he is a good
man. He probably got a little frightened and began to think about
the day of judgment. He could not help it, and I cannot help
laughing at him.
_Question_. Those in Meriden who most strongly oppose you are
radical Republicans. Is it not a fact that you possess the confidence
and friendship of some of the most respected leaders of that party?
_Answer_. I think that all the respectable ones are friends of
mine. I am a Republican because I believe in the liberty of the
body, and I am an Infidel because I believe in the liberty of the
mind. There is no need of freeing cages. Let us free the birds.
If Mr. Lansing knew me, he would be a great friend. He would
probably annoy me by the frequency and length of his visits.
_Question_. During the recent presidential campaign did any
clergymen denounce you for your teachings, that you are aware of?
_Answer_. Some did, but they would not if they had been running
for office on the Republican ticket.
_Question_. What is most needed in our public men?
_Answer_. Hearts and brains.
_Question_. Would people be any more moral solely because of a
disbelief in orthodox teaching and in the Bible as an inspired
book, in your opinion?
_Answer_. Yes; if a man really believes that God once upheld
slavery; that he commanded soldiers to kill women and babes; that
he believed in polygamy; that he persecuted for opinion's sake;
that he will punish forever, and that he hates an unbeliever, the
effect in my judgment will be bad. It always has been bad. This
belief built the dungeons of the Inquisition. This belief made
the Puritan murder the Quaker, and this belief has raised the devil
with Mr. Lansing.
_Question_. Do you believe there will ever be a millennium, and
if so how will it come about?
_Answer_. It will probably start in Meriden, as I have been informed
that Lansing is going to leave.
_Question_. Is there anything else bearing upon the question at
issue or that would make good reading, that I have forgotten, that
you would like to say?
_Answer_. Yes. Good-bye.
--_The Sunday Union_, New Haven, Conn., April 10, 1881.