On the other hand, I have said there is a sentiment which treats it as not

being wrong. That is the Democratic sentiment of this day. I do not mean

to say that every man who stands within that range positively asserts that

it is right. That class will include all who positively assert that it is

right, and all who, like Judge Douglas, treat it as indifferent and do not

say it is either right or wrong. These two classes of men fall within the

general class of those who do not look upon it as a wrong. And if there

be among you anybody who supposes that he, as a Democrat, can consider

himself "as much opposed to slavery as anybody," I would like to reason

with him. You never treat it as a wrong. What other thing that you

consider as a wrong do you deal with as you deal with that? Perhaps you

say it is wrong--but your leader never does, and you quarrel with anybody

who says it is wrong. Although you pretend to say so yourself, you can

find no fit place to deal with it as a wrong. You must not say anything

about it in the free States, because it is not here. You must not say

anything about it in the slave States, because it is there. You must not

say anything about it in the pulpit, because that is religion, and has

nothing to do with it. You must not say anything about it in politics,

because that will disturb the security of "my place." There is no place to

talk about it as being a wrong, although you say yourself it is a wrong.

But, finally, you will screw yourself up to the belief that if the people

of the slave States should adopt a system of gradual emancipation on the

slavery question, you would be in favor of it. You would be in favor of

it. You say that is getting it in the right place, and you would be glad

to see it succeed. But you are deceiving yourself. You all know that Frank

Blair and Gratz Brown, down there in St. Louis, undertook to introduce

that system in Missouri. They fought as valiantly as they could for the

system of gradual emancipation which you pretend you would be glad to see

succeed. Now, I will bring you to the test. After a hard fight they were

beaten, and when the news came over here, you threw up your hats and

hurrahed for Democracy. More than that, take all the argument made in

favor of the system you have proposed, and it carefully excludes the idea

that there is anything wrong in the institution of slavery. The arguments

to sustain that policy carefully exclude it. Even here to-day you heard

Judge Douglas quarrel with me because I uttered a wish that it might

sometime come to an end. Although Henry Clay could say he wished every

slave in the United States was in the country of his ancestors, I am

denounced by those pretending to respect Henry Clay for uttering a

wish that it might sometime, in some peaceful way, come to an end. The

Democratic policy in regard to that institution will not tolerate the

merest breath, the slightest hint, of the least degree of wrong about

it. Try it by some of Judge Douglas's arguments. He says he "don't care

whether it is voted up or voted down" in the Territories. I do not care

myself, in dealing with that expression, whether it is intended to be

expressive of his individual sentiments on the subject, or only of the

national policy he desires to have established. It is alike valuable

for my purpose. Any man can say that who does not see anything wrong

in slavery; but no man can logically say it who does see a wrong in it,

because no man can logically say he don't care whether a wrong is voted

up or voted down. He may say he don't care whether an indifferent thing

is voted up or down, but he must logically have a choice between a right

thing and a wrong thing. He contends that whatever community wants slaves

has a right to have them. So they have, if it is not a wrong. But if it is

a wrong, he cannot say people have a right to do wrong. He says that upon

the score of equality slaves should be allowed to go in a new Territory,

like other property. This is strictly logical if there is no difference

between it and other property. If it and other property are equal, this

argument is entirely logical. But if you insist that one is wrong and the

other right, there is no use to institute a comparison between right

and wrong. You may turn over everything in the Democratic policy from

beginning to end, whether in the shape it takes on the statute book, in

the shape it takes in the Dred Scott decision, in the shape it takes in

conversation, or the shape it takes in short maxim-like arguments,--it

everywhere carefully excludes the idea that there is anything wrong in it.

That is the real issue. That is the issue that will continue in this

country when these poor tongues of Judge Douglas and myself shall be

silent. It is the eternal struggle between these two principles--right and

wrong--throughout the world. They are the two principles that have

stood face to face from the beginning of time, and will ever continue

to struggle. The one is the common right of humanity, and the other the

divine right of kings. It is the same principle in whatever shape it

develops itself. It is the same spirit that says, "You work and toil and

earn bread, and I'll eat it." No matter in what shape it comes, whether

from the mouth of a king who seeks to bestride the people of his own

nation and live by the fruit of their labor, or from one race of men as an

apology for enslaving another race, it is the same tyrannical principle.

I was glad to express my gratitude at Quincy, and I re-express it here,

to Judge Douglas,--that he looks to no end of the institution of slavery.

That will help the people to see where the struggle really is. It will

hereafter place with us all men who really do wish the wrong may have

an end. And whenever we can get rid of the fog which obscures the real

question, when we can get Judge Douglas and his friends to avow a policy

looking to its perpetuation,--we can get out from among that class of men

and bring them to the side of those who treat it as a wrong. Then there

will soon be an end of it, and that end will be its "ultimate extinction."

Whenever the issue can be distinctly made, and all extraneous matter

thrown out so that men can fairly see the real difference between the

parties, this controversy will soon be settled, and it will be done

peaceably too. There will be no war, no violence. It will be placed again

where the wisest and best men of the world placed it. Brooks of South

Carolina once declared that when this Constitution was framed its framers

did not look to the institution existing until this day. When he said

this, I think he stated a fact that is fully borne out by the history of

the times. But he also said they were better and wiser men than the men of

these days, yet the men of these days had experience which they had not,

and by the invention of the cotton-gin it became a necessity in this

country that slavery should be perpetual. I now say that, willingly or

unwillingly--purposely or without purpose, Judge Douglas has been the

most prominent instrument in changing the position of the institution of

slavery,--which the fathers of the government expected to come to an end

ere this, and putting it upon Brooks's cotton-gin basis; placing it where

he openly confesses he has no desire there shall ever be an end of it.

I understand I have ten minutes yet. I will employ it in saying something

about this argument Judge Douglas uses, while he sustains the Dred Scott

decision, that the people of the Territories can still somehow exclude

slavery. The first thing I ask attention to is the fact that Judge Douglas

constantly said, before the decision, that whether they could or not,

was a question for the Supreme Court. But after the court had made the

decision he virtually says it is not a question for the Supreme Court, but

for the people. And how is it he tells us they can exclude it? He says it

needs "police regulations," and that admits of "unfriendly legislation."

Although it is a right established by the Constitution of the United

States to take a slave into a Territory of the United States and hold him

as property, yet unless the Territorial Legislature will give friendly

legislation, and more especially if they adopt unfriendly legislation,

they can practically exclude him. Now, without meeting this proposition as

a matter of fact, I pass to consider the real constitutional obligation.

Let me take the gentleman who looks me in the face before me, and let

us suppose that he is a member of the Territorial Legislature. The first

thing he will do will be to swear that he will support the Constitution

of the United States. His neighbor by his side in the Territory has

slaves and needs Territorial legislation to enable him to enjoy that

constitutional right. Can he withhold the legislation which his neighbor

needs for the enjoyment of a right which is fixed in his favor in the

Constitution of the United States which he has sworn to support? Can he

withhold it without violating his oath? And, more especially, can he pass

unfriendly legislation to violate his oath? Why, this is a monstrous sort

of talk about the Constitution of the United States! There has never been

as outlandish or lawless a doctrine from the mouth of any respectable man

on earth. I do not believe it is a constitutional right to hold slaves in

a Territory of the United States. I believe the decision was improperly

made and I go for reversing it. Judge Douglas is furious against those who

go for reversing a decision. But he is for legislating it out of all

force while the law itself stands. I repeat that there has never been so

monstrous a doctrine uttered from the mouth of a respectable man.

I suppose most of us (I know it of myself) believe that the people of the

Southern States are entitled to a Congressional Fugitive Slave law,--that

is a right fixed in the Constitution. But it cannot be made available to

them without Congressional legislation. In the Judge's language, it is a

"barren right," which needs legislation before it can become efficient

and valuable to the persons to whom it is guaranteed. And as the right is

constitutional, I agree that the legislation shall be granted to it, and

that not that we like the institution of slavery. We profess to have no

taste for running and catching niggers, at least, I profess no taste for

that job at all. Why then do I yield support to a Fugitive Slave law?

Because I do not understand that the Constitution, which guarantees that

right, can be supported without it. And if I believed that the right to

hold a slave in a Territory was equally fixed in the Constitution with the

right to reclaim fugitives, I should be bound to give it the legislation

necessary to support it. I say that no man can deny his obligation to give

the necessary legislation to support slavery in a Territory, who believes

it is a constitutional right to have it there. No man can, who does not

give the Abolitionists an argument to deny the obligation enjoined by

the Constitution to enact a Fugitive State law. Try it now. It is the

strongest Abolition argument ever made. I say if that Dred Scott decision

is correct, then the right to hold slaves in a Territory is equally a

constitutional right with the right of a slaveholder to have his runaway

returned. No one can show the distinction between them. The one is

express, so that we cannot deny it. The other is construed to be in the

Constitution, so that he who believes the decision to be correct believes

in the right. And the man who argues that by unfriendly legislation,

in spite of that constitutional right, slavery may be driven from the

Territories, cannot avoid furnishing an argument by which Abolitionists

may deny the obligation to return fugitives, and claim the power to pass

laws unfriendly to the right of the slaveholder to reclaim his fugitive. I

do not know how such an arguement may strike a popular assembly like this,

but I defy anybody to go before a body of men whose minds are educated

to estimating evidence and reasoning, and show that there is an iota of

difference between the constitutional right to reclaim a fugitive and the

constitutional right to hold a slave, in a Territory, provided this Dred

Scott decision is correct, I defy any man to make an argument that will

justify unfriendly legislation to deprive a slaveholder of his right to

hold his slave in a Territory, that will not equally, in all its length,

breadth, and thickness, furnish an argument for nullifying the Fugitive

Slave law. Why, there is not such an Abolitionist in the nation as

Douglas, after all! such an Abolitionist in the nation as Douglas, after

all!

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